Transwomen are really upset by HRT shortages

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It makes their moods all over the place.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/hrt-crisis-impact-on-trans-community_uk_627bbc19e4b009a811cc19f3/

I mean us perimenopausal women take hrt for few other essential functions as well, but just as long as your moods are even mate.

Oh the irony 🙄

Slowpoke, so far you’re at a fifth form level of argument here. May I suggest you stop going about telling other people what to do, and instead actually read some of the posts in this forum? You might usefully educate yourself.

You could start with telling us what is “hatred” about expressing mere material fact. Transwomen are not actually women, or they wouldn’t be trans. So what are they then? Are they some kind of third sex? Some kind of mystical unsexed being? How is it hatred to speak the pure factual truth?

Even MN on this thread has gone loopy over this. There is nothing so disappointingly, traditionally, cravenly anti-feminist as preventing women from speaking the truth about men. Every patriarchal regime, system, and society in history has censored women’s speech and attempted to control what women are allowed to say about MEN.

MEN MEN MEN. They exist, and they tell us what we are allowed to say, and in many societies they enforce that through literal force; and in every society they censor women’s speech, overtly or covertly.

What is an additional terrible shame is when the female handmaidens of the patriarchy, be they the “bekinders” or the mumsnet moderators or the Twitter mob who tell us what we’re permitted to say get going as well, propping up men’s interests and men’s control over what women are allowed to name and what truths women are allowed to speak. (Shame on you MN, too, for going along with propping up patriarchal systems in the same way that they have always worked.)

There have always been women who are complicit in their own oppression and want to entrench other women’s oppression too. At the very least, they could own it.

Just because someone has the ability to do one specific thing doesn't mean it defines them.

Think about the equivalent, if a women's ability to harbour a child then equivalently a mans ability too impregnate a women is the one characteristic they don't share.

By the same logic this is what makes them unique from women but if that same man get sterilised, undergoes surgery on their genitals and can no longer reproduce in the same way are they still a man?

You claim you are using logic, but you are actually using logical fallacies. I no longer believe you are debating in good faith. you don't listen, you haven't asked what our position is and you constantly misrepresent us.

But there is a distinction one has ‘trans’ in front. Unless in other communities where you use the terms, ‘women’ is used to actually mean ‘trans women’ and ‘cis women’ in place of ‘women’? If this is the case, then why again is it women who have to accept an unnecessary change?

That's not even taking into account women who can't harbour a child for physical reasons. Women who are intersex and have both genitals, what happens to them.

It's ironic don't you see that you are getting annoyed by the exact same semantics that Trans Women get annoyed about when you call them Men.

I'd much rather talk about actual issues such as the ones Waitwhat23 brought up such as the disturbing rise of self identification for convinced criminals.

Oh shut up with the disingenuousness.

Yes, many women choose not to have children. And do you know what it takes? Thought, knowledge and effort!

Do you think women can just decide not to have children and that settles it? And then we get to live a male life?

Do you think our menstrual cycles just slink off? Do you think that women who don't have children don't have to deal with menopause?

Do you think women who are sexually active with men (well over half of women) who don't want children don't have to manage contraception for decades, in order to achieve that?

Do you think childfree women don't experience discrimination in the workplace from people who expect them to have children?

Be very clear about something. Your posts, and your arrogant cluelessness, are offensive.

If you have nothing intelligent to contribute, sit down and turn your wifi off.

Just to point out as well, by this logic a Trans Woman who undergoes surgery on there genitals cannot identify as a man and also cannot identify as a woman based on your standards because they don't have the one characteristic that separates them from Women but they are still biologically born Male

@slowpoke5001 Your arguments would lead to a situation where Rachel Dolezal can legitimately identify as black, and black people have no right to be offended by her claims. For some reason you can't or won't see how offensive that is.

It’s the irony that you are clearly missing. The fact that you don’t get it at such a base level is concerning.

Sit down, and read a book printed after the 17th century.

There is no such thing as hermaphroditism in the human species. Greek vases are not documentaries. There are humans with disordered sexual development, due to congenital conditions, which cause multiple health issues. Gender dysphoria has nothing to do with people with congenital physical health issues, and these people have repeatedly asked TRAs to leave them alone.

No, what I am saying is that women are defined by our bodies, by the unique things our bodies can do , but also by the way our bodies have been viewed , abused, celebrated and revered over millennia . The language we use to describe our bodies is unique to women, it is also often the same language that has in the past been used to abuse us, to demean us, and now it is being used to erase us. It is I imagine as hard for men to understand how women’s bodies are tied up in our sense of ourselves, as it is for women to imagine how men’s bodies are tied up in their sense of themselves, but uniquely, and for the first time in history women ( and let’s be honest, this is only being applied to women, not to men) are now being told that our bodily autonomy, our body language, even our unique body functions like menstruation and lactation need to be re written and re evaluated to accommodate the need transwomen feel they have to be acknowledged as women. But they can’t be. This is my point, transwomen can’t be women, just as transmen can’t be men, because for both sexes, the experience of inhabiting their body as another sex is an experience that can’t be achieved through hormones, surgery, clothing, lifestyle, feelings or wishes, however heartfelt and genuine. I understand that body dysphasia is a painful and distressing agony, it must be an awful way to have to live and I don’t know what the answer is, but I do know what it isn’t.

So after pages and pages of muppets posting links trying to assert how men can be women, we come to the same conclusion, that geezers are taking oestrogen away from us women for no good medical reason. Regardless what you call it HRT or crossbsex hormone bollocks-speak, the preparations are the same - hence the shortage dumb bum. Note there is no current shortage of progesterone - - - there is enough of that to go round all the women not least because men don't need that. There is a small number of women who also don't need it because they no longer have wombs, but my point is the same... men don't NEED oestrogen.

Just because someone has the ability to do one specific thing doesn't mean it defines them.

It's not about whether their reproductive role "defines them", it's about our different biological reality to males.

It's ironic don't you see that you are getting annoyed by the exact same semantics that Trans Women get annoyed about when you call them Men.

Why do you respect their feelings and not the women on this thread? I mean, I know, but...

This is a pair of tweets from someone who has a DSD (disorder of sexual development).

Read them and think.

tweets
For those who keep misappropriating VSDs / DSDs because they think it's just some fancy Gender Studies game, here's a brief smorgasboard of just a few of the comorbidities my peers may have to deal with.
In no particular order:

Heart defects
Kidney abnormalities
Hearing loss 1/

Learning difficulties
Osteporosis
Retrognathia
Skeletal malformation
Lymphedema
Gonadal dysgenesis
Visual-spatial difficulties
Short stature
Distinctive facial features
Teeth problems
Severe speech difficulties

and many many more.
#WeAreNotYourProp
/fin

twitter.com/RaeUK/status/1518340749443710976?t=lkHLpIpZaHLqNqszltO9xg&s=19

Leave Disabled People Alone.

Many Trans Women decide to transition using HRT and that takes Thought, knowledge and effort! because it's not an easy process, it's sometimes quite painful both mentally and physically and it could mean there parents might disown them, their friends leave them, they face extra discrimination in the long term. Oh and they also have 3 years to think about it even after deciding that's what they want to do because that's the NHS waiting list time.

There are plenty of things men benefit from trust me but Trans Women are not not Men. Trans Women don't even feel like men, they don't get the full "male experience", no they get ridiculed by there peers in school for crossdressing, they struggle to make real connections with other male friends and they share very little in common.
Gender Dysphoria is not just an incongruence with ones anatomy, it seeps into everything.

I think women experience more discrimination than men both at work, on the street and at home. I'm not comparing Women to men i'm comparing Women to Trans Women

Leave women alone.

Leave Trans Women alone

There are plenty of things men benefit from trust me but Trans Women are not not Men. Trans Women don't even feel like men, they don't get the full "male experience", no they get ridiculed by there peers in school for crossdressing, they struggle to make real connections with other male friends and they share very little in common.

I'm pretty sure it's not just MTF trans people that experience social isolation.

What is the "full male experience" and how does it differ from the female one?

And let us have our fucking HRT!

Trans Women don't even feel like men

What does being a man feel like? What does being a woman feel like?

Leave Trans Women alone

If the trans lobby left women alone and MTF trans people recognised that we are different from them due to our female sex, people would.

I'm not targeting anyone with disabilities, i'm making a point that the definition that someone is not a Women because they cannot harbour a child due to a physical disability is gross