Anti-trans spin from RMW

[Crazylazydayz]

There is a difference between being supporting women’s rights and anti-trans.

In this article RMW is misrepresenting a whole raft of women who are fighting for women’s rights as being anti trans.

novaramedia.com/2022/05/31/a-barrister-explains-why-employment-tribunals-are-a-new-trans-rights-battlefield/

Not a lawyer either, but IMHO when all evidence has been given in a tribunal, we are just left with final summaries dependent on the evidence and then the final judgement. Barristers and tribunal are not supposed to be affected by anything in the interim. Perhaps a proper lawyer can answer?

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A Novara Media article featuring an interview with Robin White?

Well that's going to be totally impartial isn't it....

Surely this makes fraud more likely?

"What they seek to establish is that trans people should not be accommodated as they are, or allowed to play a full part in society, and that people promoting those views should not be disadvantaged in the workplace."

'trans people should not be accommodated as they are' - translation, should not be accommodated as the sex they are not

"people promoting those views should not be disadvantaged in the workplace" - translation, women (and some men) who would like to retain women's rights and necessary single-sex spaces in some circumstances in the workplace should not be disadvantaged.

I'm impressed that RW managed to slander so many people in one article.

"What’s said if that if you blur the boundaries as to who is ‘male’ and ‘female’, lesbians and gay men, for example, find it harder to draw a line around their particular spaces. These are minority views. But these people are very loud and very active."

Oh, RMW, I fear that the more you air these views, the less these may become 'minority views'.

And any minority view - shouldn't be loud and active? Well that sets a lot of things back!

They’re made up of a loud (and often public-facing) minority, that run a gauntlet from rightwing evangelicals, in the American mould, to radical feminists

Oh dear. I think we need to reach for that famous Inigo Montoya quote here.

It's runs the gamut. "Running a guantlet" is completely not what the writer means.

NM: The people at the heart of these tribunals tend to be in the professional class, a lawyer, a tax expert, and so on. Is this indicative of anything about the gender critical movement?

RMW "These are professions in which public speech and opinion is important, the ‘talking’ professions. If you work for Amazon and your job is packing things into boxes, there are fewer opportunities to air your views on trans people. Traditionally barristers were a pool that generated quite a lot of politicians in the country."

I have no words for this section. I am, just, no words. Hey people who pack stuff for me, you've got less political space to air your views on issues of conflicting rights. Hence why we don't hear your views in these tribunals.

Good job the Ford women kept their heads down eh?

NM: Is it a coincidence that discrimination tribunals are becoming a battlefield for trans rights?

RW: It’s not like there’s a centre to a web of [conspiracy], but it is more like a neural net. For example, watching the Bailey case – because you, as a member of the public, can turn up and watch the case virtually – we have people like Ann Sinnott, who runs something called the Authentic Equity Alliance, who’s definitely part of the anti-trans movement.

Well we also had Jaz turned up, who likes to post on social media pictures on a bed surrounded by butt plugs. So not sure what this demonstrates apart from 'people like to turn up to watch tribunals which they're interested in'?

Did she? I'm afraid I couldn't get past the malapropism of "running a gauntlet" for "running the gamut".

"I wouldn’t say there is coordination in the sense of an ‘anti-trans [command centre]’, but there is certainly a degree of working together among the individuals and groups involved."

Oh shit, women talk to each other!

What's interesting is that Helen Joyce, Jane Clare Jones, and many others have been vocal in asking for evidence and reading as to why gender ideology should be accepted. They've even ended up steelmanning a presentation of a case in default of one being available.

One thing on which they've commented. It seems impossible for gender ideologues to even attempt to steelman the perspective of gender critical feminists who are opposed to gender ideology.

All of which brings us to RMW's predictable interpretation in that interview. However, are we surprised after seeing RMW's fist of organising the bundle and creating a coherent narrative on which all the legal teams and the tribunal might rely?

NM: In your opinion, what’s the motivation for this type of legal challenge – is it just about winning?

RM...But they think it’s worth it to bring the issue into the public domain and grow their movement. And that has happened so far.

Well, it seems to have worked so far! But it would be nice if the people who've likely been discriminated against like Maya and Allison won too. But hey, some sunlight is worth my far-right funded donations (reader- not far right, far from it, from my hard-earned salary!)

To be fair to RMW it's Moya Lothian-McLean who doesn't know her gamut from her guantlet.

RMW: But it was very concerning in the first place to have a suggestion debated in the Lords that said if they were to go to hospital for a broken leg, they couldn’t be accommodated on a ward consistent with their gender identity – they would either be on a ward according to their natal sex or in some trans person’s ghetto, miles away. It would have segregated trans people and non-trans people.

No RMW, it would have segregated males from females. You know, like single sex wards aimed to do!

Most of the things I'm quoting appear to come directly from RMW!

RMW: There are so many better ways of advancing the position of women – think of all the good you could do with the £500,000 Bailey has raised for tribunal.

Think of all the good all the organisations who've paid money to Stonewall could have done with their fees, instead of paying for an organisation to police their policies and employees.

It's in the introduction to the interview, which I assume was written by Moya Lothian-McLean rather than RMW. I didn't read past it.

Ahh… isn’t that individual an elf? Or is that just sometimes? Maybe they don’t count in RW’s eyes?

RMW: The carrot side of it is that with better policies, if you’re a service provider, you’re more likely to delight a service user for getting it ‘right’.

I'd quite like my service providers to 'delight' me by recognising my sex by using clear language, giving me the option to select 'sex', whilst still giving those who believe in gender ideology an option to declare their 'gender identity' without forcing me to declare a belief I don't hold.

I'd quite like my service providers to 'delight' me by recognising sex as a protected characteristic as well as gender reassignment.

I'd quite like my service providers to 'delight' me by holding the line in whatever message or product they've released that's then declared 'transphobic' by 'dickwarlock; and any other furries' avatars and the like on social media demanding they change it/stop it!

Ah sorry, didn't clock it was that specific quote you were referencing. I'm just so cross this evening, after watching the Amnesty rep at the Scotland Gov consultation comparing a Muslim woman wanting a female doctor to those with racist views, and then seeing the latest report from US prisons.

This article was the final argh! Off to decompress!

Also only just got this reference - genius!

As I said on the other thread on rmw,
Is this allowed? I didn’t think they could talk about the case - isn’t there a summing up bit in late June?

I support people with gender dysphoria living their lives and believe they should be treated with dignity and respect. I am concerned about males with paraphilia’s using the trans umbrella to remove hard won womens rights, including single sex places.

Articles like this that paint an untrue picture of the issues push me towards a harder line in the sand on single sex spaces. For example I’ve always been open to TW using womens public toilets but now I am viewing this as the thin end of the wedge.