LGB Alliance monkeypox tweets deleted

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The LGB Alliance tweets from yesterday about gay men and monkeypox have been deleted by twitter for either homophobia or misinformation.

If you think about it, there are lots of non-sexual close-contact hobbies that are starting up again. They have been closed because of covid and they are all possible avenues for transmission of monkeypox. Until recently, very few events that required touch were being held. That's why it's been predominantly found in connection with "gay bars and saunas" . Only place left open. Due to Covid, we have been given a chance to easily contain this virus. Let's not waste it.

It will spread just as easily amongst toddlers at nursery as it does at any sauna.

The Daily Mail seem pretty adamant on pushing it as gay male related, maybe because of the LGB Alliance tweets which they quoted.

Britain's monkeypox cases are linked to gay bars, saunas and dating apps, health chiefs revealed as the cumulative number of cases in the UK nears 200.
The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said more than 60 per cent of domestic infections have been among gay and bisexual men, with more than 86 per cent based in the epicentre London. Only two cases have been women.
Most of the country's infections — 87 per cent — were among people aged 20 to 49. And 111 cases are known to be men who have sex with men.
Most of the UK patients caught the virus in the UK rather than abroad, which is significant because previously the tropical disease was confined to a small number of people with travel links to Africa.
Officials said that contact tracing teams had linked the outbreak back to 'gay bars, saunas and the use of dating apps in the UK and abroad'. MailOnline revealed last week the world's biggest gay dating app Grindr had alerted to users of monkeypox symptoms.

The Daily Mail seem pretty adamant on pushing it as gay male related, maybe because of the LGB Alliance tweets which they quoted.

It's not based around the LGB Alliance, the DM has its own take, which isn't down to the LGBA. They mention they've done other recent stories on monkeypox.

I imagine gay men are more likely to travel internationally than toddlers.

Nurseries are certainly hotbeds of disease and gross germ transmission, but typically among a closed group. But while things like wrestling clubs etc do let people get close, I think that overall, sex is among adult activities more likely to spread many diseases than other activities. Prostitutes for example are not only more likely to get STIs, but things like TB where that is at large in the population. And while in a small closed place that might be limited like a nursery, in a place like London that's not so much the case.

As for straight vs gay sex clubs or the tinder type hook up scene, the number of people who use them isn't the same. Among heterosexuals, men and women have very close to the same number of partners, statistically, and lesbians are in the same ballpark, but gay men are not. A larger portion are at the high end of the scale in terms of partners and the number of partners at that end is also much higher. So you have a group where a much larger percentage is having sex with a far greater number of people, of course that group is likely to have a greater incidents of a disease that is easily spread during sex. That doesn't mean it won't spread at a standard sex club with straight people but it's likely to fewer people infected in the end.

I do like the idea that the Mail would be told what to do by the LGBA! 😂 brilliant

What even is a 'gay disease'?

It's spreading among MSM in these venues and via hook ups because that is where most of their close contacts are. It could easily start spreading among other networks of close contacts if it's not contained.

I don't know why people are talking about the DM when I posted a link to a news site called 'Stat'. I know nothing about Stat except that they are apparently respectable enough to get an interview with Maria Van Kerkhove who is the WHO lead on zoonotic diseases and they appear to have written up a straight interview without spin.

LGB Alliance called for a one month closure of ALL commercial sex venues, not just those that cater to MSM.

There is a problem with these venues that is not shared by apps like Grindr - anonymity. If you don't even know the names of all the people you fucked last Saturday, let alone got their contact details, how on earth can contact tracing work?

Children at nursery are not a closed group. They go home to their families where they have close physical contact with their siblings and parents, especially their mothers, who change and bathe them, change their bedding, do their laundry etc. A proportion of their mothers will also be pregnant.

Pregnant women are another high risk group.

Human-to-human transmission can result from close contact with respiratory secretions, skin lesions of an infected person or recently contaminated objects. Transmission via droplet respiratory particles usually requires prolonged face-to-face contact, which puts health workers, household members and other close contacts of active cases at greater risk. However, the longest documented chain of transmission in a community has risen in recent years from 6 to 9 successive person-to-person infections. This may reflect declining immunity in all communities due to cessation of smallpox vaccination. Transmission can also occur via the placenta from mother to fetus (which can lead to congenital monkeypox) or during close contact during and after birth. While close physical contact is a well-known risk factor for transmission, it is unclear at this time if monkeypox can be transmitted specifically through sexual transmission routes. Studies are needed to better understand this risk.

www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/monkeypox

Their parents will have jobs, many of which will bring them into close contact with other children, pregnant women or people with compromised immune systems.

Yes, people who go to sex clubs also go home to their families, work, etc, in the normal way.

But in a nursery you have the same, say, 50 children within that transmission group on a day to day basis.

Whereas with individuals that are having a lot of casual sex and also doing so in a club environement with a variable clientel, that is a whole lot more families and fellow employees that are being affected by that set of individuals.

You'd see something similar in a heterosexual brothel, so it's not about the same sex element, except inso far as its very unusual to see women engage in that kind of sexual activity if they aren't forced to by circumstances.

What I don't like about the above WHO link is that it does not differentiate between the two different clades (west African vs. central African) when discussing case fatality rates. Other sources (including WHO) have said the central African clade has a CFR of around 10% and the west African clade has a CFR of around 1%. I don't think it's helpful to average these out to 3-6%. The current European outbreak is from the west African clade - CFR ~1%.

That's not nothing, especially if fatalities are concentrated in young children and pregnant women.

WHO advice for contacts is less stringent than UK advice but even they advise all contacts to avoid young children, pregnant women and immunocompromised people for 21 days.

If a teacher or nursery worker is even a contact they will be off work for three weeks. If they, or a child, tests positive then the nursery or school class will be closed.

Dunno about anyone on else on this parenting site but if it's a choice of closing commercial sex venues now, or schools and nurseries later, I would vote to act now.

"if it's a choice of closing commercial sex venues now, or schools and nurseries later, I would vote to act now"

Must say, I thought the fatality rates in children was higher but that was the link I found. It was not as high as I thought but I thought maybe I'd misunderstood.

I agree that commercial sex shouldn't come before children and pregnant women.

Do you have kids, @MangyInseam ?

This idea that young children only mix with those who attend the same nursery is really strange.

It might be higher if 1% CFR is averaged across all age ranges because we know young children get more severe disease.

But even 1% is not low.

I would not send my child to a setting with a virus circulating that had a 1% chance of killing them.

If even a gay rights organisation is saying that this is being spread mainly by gay men in sex venues and on apps then these need to be shut down asap before it spreads into the general population and especially children.

Yes, I have four. And I did childcare for a number of years. I am aware that kids see other kids.

As does everyone else. People in a worplace. People in a tennis club. People who go to raves.

But we are talking about the kinds of venues and activities that are particularly likely to spread germs far and wide, and that is not the same for every kind of group or venue.

A group of people who meet up with the same ten people every day are usually not going to be the same kind of risk that people who go to events where the people change. If you have a mud wresling club, and it is always the same 18 people who show up, it is not going to have the same effect as a mud wrestling club with 50 people who show up from time to time and maybe go to other mud wrestling clubs on other days.

30 May. The LGBA says this is disproportionately affecting gay and bisexual men. They think transmission should be slowed. The LGBA is - in response - treated as we all saw.

Today. A new UK strategy:

"Health Security Agency (UKHSA) recommends that some gay and bisexual men at higher risk of exposure to monkeypox should be offered vaccines to help control the recent outbreak of the virus."

www.gov.uk/government/news/monkeypox-vaccine-to-be-offered-more-widely-to-help-control-outbreak

Finally Stonewall tweet about it:

mobile.twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1539277537729294338?cxt=HHwWhMC98fuwztwqAAAA

Thread by a man on how badly his friend is suffering.

twitter.com/TwisterFilm/status/1539609255694811138?t=YlI5vVke5xA0ayBpTeFI5Q&s=19

Solidarity with LGB Alliance and Malcolm Clark. Thank you for sticking up for your community when self interest and commercialisation have lined up against you. It’s so important. Keep going.

This thread’s been on my mind. I hadn’t realised that kids could be among the most seriously affected groups. Diseases of non-sexual transmission passed by close contact, are going to be very, very hard to contain. In any community. This needs action now.

Also if we are so keen to be conducting sexual health policy by not promoting stereotypes - it’s a massive discrimination to assume that gay men are only in contact with other gay men and so that contains the transmission and is somehow OK, and of course it’s a massive stereotype to assume that gay men are not fathers and will not have close contact with their kids. Furthermore who’s to assume men with male partners aren’t bisexual or don’t want a label and and are not having contact with female partners too.

If monkeypox is still early enough in the population spread to be confined to certain social groups then that is the exact right time to act very swiftly while there is a message to be targeted to that at-risk group. Much easier than trying to do a general population health message after it’s on the loose in general.

Perhaps the only blessing of covid is that overall it has affected children less severely (but not universally so). The social and economic effects of a pandemic where children are particularly badly affected just doesn’t bear thinking about, even leaving aside human cost.

Powers that be need to act very fast on this. Thank you again to the LGB alliance for campaigning on this. All sex establishments (whoever the clientele) should be being closed immediately, for a defined period to slow transmission and allow more to be learned about this infection and how it has spread and behaves in all of the groups affected so far.

Finally Stonewall tweet about it

Stonewall have been tweeting about it since 20th May

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1527658551556067328?t=XSn1zxUQD6ApRrzqnewCIA&s=19

Missed that tweet

NP, they also did a series of tweets on 27/5 & 3/6

What cohort are they talking about when they say gay and bi men? Natal females?

As usual, when it is self serving they expect everyone to ignore their batshit ideology.

And this needs to go here!

All hail the link gods:

thecritic.co.uk/the-lgbtq-monkeypox-failure/