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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stella Creasy says women can have penises

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WhereAreWeNow · 28/05/2022 06:13

Stella Creasy has doubled down on her TWAW position in today's Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/stella-creasy-jk-rowling-wrong-woman-can-have-penis/

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GrimDamnFanjo · 29/05/2022 16:11

Stella's words this weekend have peaked a very close friend of mine.
One who lives in her constituency, has campaigned with her, and has provided her with various research material over the years.

While aware of GC views from myself, they'd never really took much notice till they read the article then looked up Stella's Twitter feed.

They couldn't believe the prison issue and they asked me was it actually true? I was happy to furnish them with a reading list of media and research articles, websites and links to various tribunals for them to make their own mind up.

They spent last night messaging me every hour or so even more cross at what they were reading.

Thanks Stella! You've done us all a massive favour here.

Mandodari · 29/05/2022 16:11

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 29/05/2022 15:32

What do women like Stella and Penny , and the queen of the crew, Noakes , want ? I have been wondering this for ages, it seems bizarre to be acting so clearly against their own interests as women, to constantly denigrate and belittle and now actually deny that womanhood exists in any defining and therefore , exclusive sense.

i think they want to be the only women in the room. When women first started to achieve positions of power and influence, it was noticeable that they often did not want to promote or mentor other women. I think this is a similar phenomenon; they want to be the only women in the room ( because they know in their hearts that the women with penises are not really going to rival them ).

of course, they are making a big mistake. Because the women with penises want their jobs , their privileges, their very identities. They are arguing themselves out of existence.

No different from Thatcher.
"Rather, she was a classic example of a certain kind of conservative woman who believed that all women should pull themselves up just as she had done, conveniently overlooking that not all women are blessed with the privileges that had been available to her, such as a wealthy and supportive husband and domestic help."

That could have been written about Creasy rather than Thatcher.

HatefulHaberdashery · 29/05/2022 16:23

RaspberryToo · 28/05/2022 10:47

i live in Stella's constituency and many are starting to really dislike her now. She didn't respond to many of the request re info for refugees or a meeting prior to the votes, she was too firmly arguing with a bus company as she'd been asked to collapse her pram or disembark, or arguing about the lack of lift at the station due to it being hard for a double pram (she later picked up on teh wheelchair aspect AFTER it was pointed out. (weirdly enough haven't seen her argue about the lack of toilets for people with disabilities at the station which has been going on for months since they were closed).

She didn't pick up on the fact that many women don't get maternity leave whilst keeping their job and that this isn't something that just affects MPs... then she suddenly partnered with PBS and suddenly seems to be the voice of all women and maternity leave, but yet still only talks about MPs for the changes in legislation.

She's always been this self absorbed and disingenuous, in a particularly middle class way, and I'm really glad that other women on the Left are starting to read the smallprint on this me, me, me chancer.

What she was classifying as "Maternity leave" during her 2nd pregnancy, wasn't maternity leave. Stella was always going to get her 80K salary per annum, and have the ability to return to her job, irrespective of if she never saw another constituent for the next year, post baby. So she was lying about that.

Having been a contractor, with no paid maternity leave, I’d rather my taxes fund the 20K a year Asda checkout lady who can’t WFH and won't get full pay Mat leave, than the 80K per annum MP, with office staff & a work crèche.

HatefulHaberdashery · 29/05/2022 16:29

donquixotedelamancha · 29/05/2022 15:54

Dodds dithers a lot, says one sensible statement then another two which are TRA -like. Doddery might sum it up.

I don't think it's dithering per se. I think her waffling was because if she'd come out and said what she thinks she'd have been outside of shadow cabinet position.

Starmer is trying to thread the needle by saying that the GRA makes some men 'women' but avoiding answering exactly what that means.

I think Dodds was genuinely upset when she was ridiculed for her legalistic answer on women's hour.

Maybe it's just me, but either have the courage of your convictions or don't be in the shadow cabinet position taking the flak for Keir.

Marsha de Cordova fell on her sword because she didn't believe TWAW, so why can't Doddery?

MP's have one of the safest jobs in the nation (until it comes to the next election, and even then, it's all about winning hearts and minds - nobody seems to care about policy, as everyone is so tribal), so what do the female MP's who've stayed silent and watch Rosie Duffield be relentlessly bullied and hounded for something they all know to be true, gain from being silently complicit with gender ideology nonsense?

Torunette · 29/05/2022 18:34

SpindleSheWrote · 29/05/2022 01:09

I wonder what actually happened between the ascension of Tony Blair in 1997 to the GRA in 2004.

That's some paradigm shift in government and the civil service. What were the actual mechanisms, the levers?

I know the PR was pretty much taken care of by the Hayley Cropper story on Corrie: a mild mannered character played by a biological woman, who attracted a kind and lovely mild-mannered boyfriend.

But what of the politics behind the scenes to get this through rather than gay marriage?

I suppose Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelsen would know.

As far as I understand it, New Labour almost entirely purged the civil service when they came to power. Loads of people were made redundant, and new people brought in who didn't fully understand the way things worked, nor the implications of certain policy positions.

They lost so much experience with that strategy done because they thought the civil service was "Tory" and would stand in their way that they then had to bring some people back as 'consultants' to get the work done.

But it enabled to do certain things, like expand PFI practice into the public sector, without the civil service shutting it down because it would ultimately cripple the state, which is exactly what it has done. It's notable that the people who had significant reservations about the GRA in the HOL were former politicians that had worked at a high level within government. They understood the need to think about the domino effect.

MagnoliaTaint · 29/05/2022 18:49

GrimDamnFanjo · 29/05/2022 16:11

Stella's words this weekend have peaked a very close friend of mine.
One who lives in her constituency, has campaigned with her, and has provided her with various research material over the years.

While aware of GC views from myself, they'd never really took much notice till they read the article then looked up Stella's Twitter feed.

They couldn't believe the prison issue and they asked me was it actually true? I was happy to furnish them with a reading list of media and research articles, websites and links to various tribunals for them to make their own mind up.

They spent last night messaging me every hour or so even more cross at what they were reading.

Thanks Stella! You've done us all a massive favour here.

See?! It's fab! All we need is people like Stella to keep saying the quiet bits out loud.

SunLIGHT!!!

Thelnebriati · 29/05/2022 18:58

Just a shower thought and I don't know it it needs its own thread, but has anyone else noticed that its OK to talk about maternity leave, periods, and the menopause. But not single sex provisions like prisons, hospitals and DV shelters?

Birdsweepsin · 29/05/2022 19:01

Stella Creasy says women can have penises, as long as they put them back when they are finished with them

Stella Creasy says women can have penises, but should make sure the subject has been properly anaesthetised first

Stella Creasy says women can have penises, and she prefers them lightly dusted with sugar and air fried

PronounssheRa · 29/05/2022 19:04

mobile.twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1530960111610519554?cxt=HHwWhICznYaHiL8qAAAA

Stella quote tweets Labour women's declaration as they had challenged Stella's claim that she had met with them.

Stella: I met with you in 2018
LWD: we didn't launch until November 2019.

HatefulHaberdashery · 29/05/2022 19:23

I think Stella's partner or her friends needs to take her phone off her. She's just making a gigantic tit of herself in Twitterverse.

Artichokeleaves · 29/05/2022 19:23

"Whoever you met with Stella, it wasn't us" 😂

MatureMam · 29/05/2022 19:29

We may be allowed to talk about maternity, menstruation and menopause but only if we use euphemistic phrases such as 'birthing parent' or 'people who bleed' for fear of causing offence. I truly worry that young women are going to grow up ashamed to talk about their bodies again.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 29/05/2022 19:29

PermanentTemporary · 29/05/2022 13:07

It's the Telegraph. They'll prioritise their own agenda in what they put highest up in the interview, and theyll be keen to sabotage a really impressive Labour woman (which she still is to me). But she should know that.

I will admit to a reluctant admiration of her saying something so bloody stupid in public which she must know will sound ridiculous, and doubling down with it. She's not a coward, anyway. And her story about threatened gang rape at university is horrible. She's taken action for female MPs and women in NI. The people calling her 'performative' for taking her baby into the House of Commons are despicable. I just wish she would damn well connect the dots.

Sabotage her by allowing her to speak freely about her life and beliefs?

dropthevipers · 29/05/2022 19:30

The fact that not one (count them-zero) of the Labour front bench (or anyone else come to that) has hit the airwaves to posit even the slightest demur against Creasy's grade "A" tin foil hattery tells me that Labour is as fucked as it ever was over this whole issue.

JulesJules · 29/05/2022 19:34

Artichokeleaves · 29/05/2022 19:23

"Whoever you met with Stella, it wasn't us" 😂

Oh God, she's still going. Insisting that she met with them.

Birdsweepsin · 29/05/2022 19:37

dropthevipers · 29/05/2022 19:30

The fact that not one (count them-zero) of the Labour front bench (or anyone else come to that) has hit the airwaves to posit even the slightest demur against Creasy's grade "A" tin foil hattery tells me that Labour is as fucked as it ever was over this whole issue.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/29/anneliese-dodds-stella-creasy-wrong-woman-cant-have-penis/

Stella Creasy was wrong to assert that a woman can have a penis, a Labour minister has said, as the party continues to flounder with the issue of defining womanhood.

Anneliese Dodds, the Labour Party chairman, was asked on Sunday if she agreed with Stella Creasy, her fellow Labour MP, that a woman can be someone who was born with a penis.

Ms Dodds, who is also shadow women and equalities secretary, said: “No, I don’t agree with her. Biological females obviously aren't.

I didn't expect Dodds to say this. She knows, clearly.

DdraigGoch · 29/05/2022 19:38

Thelnebriati · 28/05/2022 09:53

Is she saying 'electricians use 'male' and 'female' to designate connectors and therefore women no longer exist as a distinct category'?

#ToddlerLogic

And yet electricians always call the plug "male", and the socket "female". Funny that.

dropthevipers · 29/05/2022 19:41

Birdsweepsin · 29/05/2022 19:37

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/29/anneliese-dodds-stella-creasy-wrong-woman-cant-have-penis/

Stella Creasy was wrong to assert that a woman can have a penis, a Labour minister has said, as the party continues to flounder with the issue of defining womanhood.

Anneliese Dodds, the Labour Party chairman, was asked on Sunday if she agreed with Stella Creasy, her fellow Labour MP, that a woman can be someone who was born with a penis.

Ms Dodds, who is also shadow women and equalities secretary, said: “No, I don’t agree with her. Biological females obviously aren't.

I didn't expect Dodds to say this. She knows, clearly.

Thanks-had not seen that and unexpected from that quarter to say the least. I expect she will now get the obligatory death/rape threats from the provisional wing of Bloko Harem in the Labour party?

MatureMam · 29/05/2022 19:41

So disappointing that a feminist MP like Creasy, who does try to stand up for mothers, doesn't seem to understand that biological sex does actually matter and that women need to be able to campaign as a sex class.

MagnoliaTaint · 29/05/2022 19:45

Anneliese Dodds, the Labour Party chairman, was asked on Sunday if she agreed with Stella Creasy, her fellow Labour MP, that a woman can be someone who was born with a penis.

Is a schism developing?

MagnoliaTaint · 29/05/2022 19:46

Who imagined, back in, say - 2004 - that we'd be here watching Labour argue over whether a woman has a penis or not.

MagnoliaTaint · 29/05/2022 19:47

'Fresh Labour infighting broke out over trans issues today as the party chair contradicted a fellow MP on whether 'some women were born with penises'.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10865467/Labour-chair-says-fellow-MP-WRONG-argue-women-born-penises.html

How many angels dance on the head of a penis, I wonder?

dinosauriam · 29/05/2022 20:00

MagnoliaTaint · 29/05/2022 19:46

Who imagined, back in, say - 2004 - that we'd be here watching Labour argue over whether a woman has a penis or not.

It is so absurd. I will soon be too embarrassed to admit to having been a party member until Corbyn.

Birdsweepsin · 29/05/2022 20:05

But we need an opposition!

TrailWhale · 29/05/2022 20:15

What a train wreck the latest tweets from Stella are - surely it would just be simpler now to hold her hands up yet she's dived further into it. It's almost as if she is trying to silence women's organisations by stating she has further abuse coming her way - yet the simply way to stop it would be to admit she's not med the groups in their professional organisational capacity.

The flipside to this is that she has plenty of constituents who are EDL supporters - will she claim she's met with EDL organisations in their professional capacity now?

I really hope that many of Stella's constituents are reading and taking note of just how much "truth bending" is occurring right now with these tweets, and, that they remember it come election time.

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