Stella Creasy says women can have penises

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Stella Creasy has doubled down on her TWAW position in today's Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/stella-creasy-jk-rowling-wrong-woman-can-have-penis/

She / they / he is a coward.

Jesus, is she still at it. Someone who cares about her should take her away from the Internet for the day.

On Dodds, I'm glad she recognises that sex and gender are different maybe she is starting to give this more thought.

If I were Keir Starmer, I'd be sending someone round to Stella's to take the Twitter keys off her right now, before she blows up his entire 'I support self-ID and single sex spaces' act.

This has just reopened the 'can a woman have a penis' question for Labour at a time when they should be holding the tory party to account after the grey report.

Slow hand clap Stella, your political awareness really is something.

Is this a deliberate sabotage? SC didn't like Starmer's overtures of alleged willingness to speak to Labour Women and this is how she derails it?

It's the Telegraph. They'll prioritise their own agenda in what they put highest up in the interview, and theyll be keen to sabotage a really impressive Labour woman (which she still is to me). But she should know that.

I will admit to a reluctant admiration of her saying something so bloody stupid in public which she must know will sound ridiculous, and doubling down with it. She's not a coward, anyway. And her story about threatened gang rape at university is horrible. She's taken action for female MPs and women in NI. The people calling her 'performative' for taking her baby into the House of Commons are despicable. I just wish she would damn well connect the dots.

I'm glad she recognises that sex and gender are different maybe she is starting to give this more thought.

She doesn't - she says the definitions are still being defined in one of her tweets. FFS.

Dodds dithers a lot, says one sensible statement then another two which are TRA -like. Doddery might sum it up. She speaks here (was last Monday I believe).

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/caa37f9a-b1fd-4d17-b0c7-7130035210ff

I'd say she's just distancing herself from Creasy on social media because she's a politician and is seeing the ratio.
But she must also think Creasy is a fool. TWAW ok, (not ok) but TW are female? Even for Dodds that would've crossed a line.

And her story about threatened gang rape at university is horrible

Agreed about her failure to join the dots. She was DARVO'd then by the college. And, here she is, DARVOing on behalf of a largely similar set of people with a striking resemblance to those who threatened her then, and, somehow, she is not seeing it.

I'm admittedly dim at working out how politics works.. So do you maybe think the Telegraph were playing a political Torygraph game in publishing this?

Ie a front page article they knew Creasy would be crucified for - so as to deflect attention from PartyGate?

If so, brilliant politics

Possibly but the thing is it was an interview with Creasy with a glamorous photo and no comments made really at all by the journalist. It was 'this is what she said in her own words....what do you think readers as the subtext?' They then deleted all the comments below the article completely which I do not understand at all if it were a purely political agenda, as 99% comments were against Creasy obviously.

The Daily Telegraph is often very critical of Boris Johnson's government...too left-wing, too green, not taking advantage of Brexit etc.
They allow all kinds of opinions though unlike the Guardian.

Yeah, No. Stella is a middle class white woman, parachuted to power by an All Woman Shortlist, who thinks the work revolves around her and her middle class pursuits, and is ok to crap on other women, whilst pulling the ladder up after her.

And yes, taking the baby into Parliament was performative. She earns £80K a year, plus expenses, and has a significant other in the picture with, to co-parent with. She could have either paid for childcare, or got her partner to take of the baby on that occasion, with some expressed milk, if she's breast feeding. It was her second baby, so not exactly her first trip to the rodeo.

Can you tell me why she couldn't sort herself with all those resources and yet women on half her wages, some with no co-parent in the picture, managed to sort out their lives and their children without this Stella circus/ drama? It's ridiculous!

Precisely this. The hypocrisy needed to justify her linguistic gymanstics are astonishing.

• Yeah, No. Stella is a middle class white woman, parachuted to power by an All Woman Shortlist, who thinks the work revolves around her and her middle class pursuits, and is ok to crap on other women, whilst pulling the ladder up after her.

And yes, taking the baby into Parliament was performative. She earns £80K a year, plus expenses, and has a significant other in the picture with, to co-parent with. She could have either paid for childcare, or got her partner to take of the baby on that occasion, with some expressed milk, if she's breast feeding. It was her second baby, so not exactly her first trip to the rodeo.

Can you tell me why she couldn't sort herself with all those resources and yet women on half her wages, some with no co-parent in the picture, managed to sort out their lives and their children without this Stella circus/ drama? It's ridiculous!*

I agree. The baby in the chamber WAS performative. And ridiculous. And very very middle class me me me.

She must be completely wedded to TWAW to say what she did in the Torygraph. If she's that daft that she didn't see the fallout in the Sue Gray week, then she's not smart enough to be party of any Cabinet leading this country.

Yeah, No. Stella is a middle class white woman, parachuted to power by an All Woman Shortlist, who thinks the work revolves around her and her middle class pursuits, and is ok to crap on other women, whilst pulling the ladder up after her.

This is spot on. Many MC professionals - who've been fed with a silver spoon - who I've come across can barely see past their own noses, regardless of political leaning.

I agree. The baby in the chamber WAS performative. And ridiculous. And very very middle class me me me.

I agree, there is a nursery at Parliament that Stella could have used, in the same way that all working mothers have to make childcare arrangements.

I feel like they thought they could calm us down and placate us by allowing us to put cis in front of woman, before they moved into the next stage of removing the trans and cis labels a few years down the track.

They didn't think we would be so bleeding annoyed about it. They certainly didn't think we'd outright reject their idea.

And when we did, they, like most misogynist people do, got really really annoyed and thought "fuck it. it would have been nice if they'd rolled over and let us do what we want and go where we want, but now the gloves are off. We will do it without their blessing, without their consent. sod them and sod giving them their own label. We will take it all"

Now doesn't that feel very familiar to a lot of us.

This ^^

What do women like Stella and Penny , and the queen of the crew, Noakes , want ? I have been wondering this for ages, it seems bizarre to be acting so clearly against their own interests as women, to constantly denigrate and belittle and now actually deny that womanhood exists in any defining and therefore , exclusive sense.

i think they want to be the only women in the room. When women first started to achieve positions of power and influence, it was noticeable that they often did not want to promote or mentor other women. I think this is a similar phenomenon; they want to be the only women in the room ( because they know in their hearts that the women with penises are not really going to rival them ).

of course, they are making a big mistake. Because the women with penises want their jobs , their privileges, their very identities. They are arguing themselves out of existence.

The removal of language has always been a key part of suppressing a population and colonising it.

The repression of Scotland for example where Gaelic was banned, so were bagpipes and tartan and any other expression of Scots identity.

Welsh was banned in Wales, children were beaten in school for using the forbidden language which was a symbol of resistance to a better and more civilised, progressive world being inflicted.

The forcible removal of children from Native American nations and others, with the aim of eliminating the language of home and family to be replaced with the approved language.

We have the edifying sight of governments running around apologising for and undoing all this damage while at the same time participating in causing it themselves in the new group to be suppressed.

Dodds chose to attend an all- female college at Oxford, although it had been possible for women to attend previously single sex male colleges since 1976. So she knew what a woman was then.

Stella refuses to believe that other women are impacted when they become pregnant regarding maternity rights - she believes every woman gets adequate pay, an entire year off with no threats of job loss and like-for-like cover whenever they take maternity leave.

Very out of touch and will not listen when women are explaining their own circumstances and horror stories.

Dodds dithers a lot, says one sensible statement then another two which are TRA -like. Doddery might sum it up.

I don't think it's dithering per se. I think her waffling was because if she'd come out and said what she thinks she'd have been outside of shadow cabinet position.

Starmer is trying to thread the needle by saying that the GRA makes some men 'women' but avoiding answering exactly what that means.

I think Dodds was genuinely upset when she was ridiculed for her legalistic answer on women's hour.

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen "i think they want to be the only women in the room. When women first started to achieve positions of power and influence, it was noticeable that they often did not want to promote or mentor other women. I think this is a similar phenomenon; they want to be the only women in the room ( because they know in their hearts that the women with penises are not really going to rival them )"

For the vast majority of my time in work I was the only woman in the room. I'll admit when more started coming in I did not originally feel happy about it.

It had taken hard work, long hours, putting up with soooooooo much shit to get to where i was. And I don't think I particularly wanted to share the goodwill and change in opinion of some guys i had worked with if I'm honest.

Of course I gave my head a wobble and reminded myself that I was putting up with all this shit for exactly this purpose. To make life easier for the ones who came after me.

Now I still wasnt going to particularly help the ones who were the same age and level of me. After all we are all going for the same jobs and no one is gong to help their direct competition.

But the younger ones, I bloody helped them.

This lot like Stella are stuck in the "I don't want to share" phase and are too bloody selfish to get past it.