Rarely do you see ratioing like this on Twitter, but I'll just post the text
Julie Bindel: [at]stellacreasy. I reckon I know more than you do about women in prison, having worked on the issue as a campaigner since setting up [at]justice4women in 1990. You clearly do not realise, what with your virtue signalling and slagging off fine feminists in your quest to be seen as a brave warrior, fighting for the "most marginalised". In the meantime the REAL most marginalised - women in prison - are suffering. So many have told me that ALL those incarcerated are terrified of these 'transwomen' because they have carte blanche, thanks to the likes of you to act with impunity. Have a think. Rather than encouraging a pile-on against women who do ACTUAL work to prevent male violence and support the women suffering it, why don't you just listen to the facts, and face them at the same time? Yours, a feminist who gets things done.
Stella Creasy: Hello julie, why does it have to be an either or? You can throw the word salad of insults at me or we could get prison reform back on agenda together as surely that’s something we can agree on? I said I disagreed with people - I haven’t used terms like virtue signalling etc.
JB: I am defending the most disenfranchised women in society, Stella, not insulting you. You have been clear in your view that male rapists should be prioritised over women's safety, when it comes to 'transwomen' in prison. I would no sooner trust you with reforming our prison system than I would Billy Bragg. I think you know fine well that men ID'ing as women are still men, and that the whole 'some women have penises' is ridiculous. It is far easier for politicians to hold your line than it is brave ones such as [at]RosieDuffield1
SC: It seems there needs to be some honesty here from you and those who don’t consider trans women to be women that you wish to continue to call them men. Because if not the case then there is a very small group of women who were born with a penis and in some cases retain it.
Jane Clare Jones: You know Stella, there are many of us who wanted to be able to resolve this situation while retaining polite social conventions with respect to addressing trans women. As this conflict has progressed, more and more women have become convinced that under the current political circumstances that's not possible, because women's concern to be polite has been so massively leveraged against them to try and destroy our existence as a sex based political class, and the rights afforded to us on that basis.
You couldn't have done more to prove them right.
[Jane Clare Jones then continues as a QT of Creasy's "small group of women retaining a penis" tweet.]
We have been completely clear that we wish to continue to be able to describe the reality of human sex. Because female people are oppressed on the basis of sex. And female people need sex based spaces and resources.
It is extremely disingenuous to just frame that as 'you wish to continue to call them men' as if all we are motivated by is a desire to be mean and spiteful for no reason.
As you suggest Stella, if we do not insist on continuing to name the reality of sex, then people like you are going to claim that the class of female people now contains male people, that some male people were somehow born female people, and on that basis, are going to further insist that all of female people's spaces and resources become, de facto, mixed sex.
This is about the political erasure of sex. The political erasure of the axis of our oppression. The redefinition of our class in law from a sex based to a gender identity based definition. And the effort to reorganise all social provision previously allocated on the basis of sex.
It is not even remotely reasonable to ask women to accept that.
A demand for that kind of political abnegation does not even remotely fall under the remit of 'being kind.'
Indeed, it is extremely unkind to try and manipulate, intimidate and gaslight women into this kind of political abnegation.
We will not consent to the political erasure of female people as a class, and to the political erasure of the rights and resources afforded to us on that basis.
No matter how many times you imply that we are terrible awful meanies...