A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

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A website has said they have lost many followers with supporting this.

I just don’t understand why this is being promoted. If men in general were able to breastfeed children, why is this not being encouraged among married couples? Im sure plenty of men would be willing to step up and share breastfeeding with their partner.

It can’t be healthy for a baby to be fed this way, as surely the transwoman would be taking multiple type of hormones in order to remain transitioned?

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Haven't read it yet but apparently the DM has a report of an Australian transwoman who insisted on feeding a newborn an hour after birth in spite of medical advice not to because the 'milk' supply had been established by taking domperidone. If true, pretty clear example of the new parent not putting the baby's needs first.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10859287/Transgender-paramedic-breastfed-newborn-baby-know-like-mum.html

Some trenchant words at the end there from a female doctor who is an expert on lactation confirming what I feared, there's no research on this to ensure it's safe for the baby.

As I said up thread, what about Colostrum???

My other half was adopted at birth and breastfed by his adopted mother (who could not have children) using domperidone and other things back in the 80s. Have always felt this was really impressive and dedicated, but apparently it's disgusting selfish vain and she was feeding him a cocktail of chemicals 🤔

Have you asked her why she wanted to do that, @thetidalwave? Was she acting on professional advice that this would be good for her baby? I'd be surprised to learn that she was able to produce enough milk to feed a small baby, so presumably this was supplementary feeding to help with bonding.

Current medical advice appears to be that it isn't a good idea because domperidone has nasty side effects. I know when my children were born in the early 1990s the advice to pregnant and breastfeeding mothers was very clear: given that anything that went into our bloodstream was likely to end up in the baby's bloodstream, follow medical advice over which drugs, prescription or otherwise, to take, take the absolute minimum, avoid alcohol, keep caffeine consumption low, and in the case of a woman whose own health meant she needed to take medication she might be advised not to breastfeed at all.

I was very fortunate to be able to feed both my babies myself for a prolonged period and I loved it, but I've never been in any doubt that if it hadn't been possible they'd have been fine on formula. My brother and I were both formula fed back in the 1960s and we've turned out OK. Hasn't affected bonding with our Mum either.

Yowsers Gasp0de!

Quite a few issues in that article.

Here is a few statements:

''To know I could breastfeed my own child and have that experience, I wanted to be a part of that. I wanted to know what it was like to be a mum and breastfeed."

and

'I will never know what's it like to menstruate or carry a baby or give birth,' Ms Buckley said.

'But to be told I could have the opportunity to breastfeed, it was something that was nice to be able to experience as a trans woman.'

and

'The first time it came out I just started leaking,' Ms Buckley said. 'Then I pumped and it was a weird feeling having a suction cap suck out milk, but it was exciting.

'I thought, "Oh my God, I am actually producing human milk".'

and

'Apart from the milk he was getting from me he was essentially starving,' Ms Buckley said of the couple's hungry son

'I genuinely believe had I not brought my breast milk into the hospital he could have become very sick with liver and kidney issues from lack of nutrition.'

and

'It was sad. It was frustrating, but as brief as it was, I did get to experience it. I would have preferred to do it a lot longer. But Auden's wellbeing was paramount.'

I am really looking forward to posters telling us just what about this interview is not pointing out that this all about the male. What part of these statements above are about the child.

Even when HCP's pointed out that the baby was starving, it was all about that adult male.

And those posters can also then point out just how that male feeding the newborn whatever the substance was that they were producing was providing the newborn nutrition.

How many more of these articles will it take before these posters will start understanding that this is not 'faux' concern, this is a genuine discussion on what is beginning to happen here.

That this endrocrinologist has spoken at AusPATH about this, and has 'assisted' FIVE other males to do this, I suspect each state in Australia will have some males to have done this already and quite a few more will be aiming for it.

To continue with the 'only one / two/ a few' rhetoric is misinformed.

see below:

Dr Naomi Achong, a former president of Australian Professional Association for Trans Health (AusPATH), is the Brisbane endocrinologist who recommended Ms Buckley breastfeed Auden.

It is understood she has helped five other transgender women breastfeed.

Dr Achong spoke on the topic of 'lactation induction in transfemales' at a AusPATH conference last weekend and her talk was one of the most booked events.

I will wait for the explanations to come in from those posters determined to downplay this.

Just to be very clear, how many females say the following:

I wanted to know what it was like to... breastfeed.

'But to be told I could have the opportunity to breastfeed, it was something that was nice to be able to experience as a [woman].'

'Then I pumped and it was a weird feeling having a suction cap suck out milk, but it was exciting.
'I thought, "Oh my God, I am actually producing human milk".'
(My addition here ... relief? yes. Excitement, like this was a science experiment on our own bodies and not a matter of whether or not we could give food to our newborns..... no)

'I genuinely believe had I not brought my breast milk into the hospital he could have become very sick with liver and kidney issues from lack of nutrition.' ... no.... just no!

If a newborn is this sickly, it is not responsible to keep feeding milk that is not tailored to a newborn! You feed them formula or donated milk for an infant at the same stage!!!

At what point was this male focused on their infant son and not their own ego?

Any one of those previously supportive posters, please feel free to tell us this is [insert whatever excuse to downplay the reality].

There is something about the photos in that DM article that I find unsettling. It is the eyes of the trans parent...do others not see what I see? They look angry, menacing...

Ugh that mail article. Absolutely awful, self serving, self entitled selfishness. All the 'selfs'. Me, me, me.

'I haven't seen any evidence men can lactate and produce milk in the quantities that can sustain a child's life and to attempt to do so is experimenting on the child'

'Calling it breastfeeding is already misleading. Ultimately the child is not being fed,'

''It is extraordinarily offensive to women.'

Not just women, anyone. Experimenting on a baby, your own baby in order to validate yourself.

It is understood she has helped five other transgender women breastfeed.

Dr Achong spoke on the topic of 'lactation induction in transfemales' at a AusPATH conference last weekend and her talk was one of the most booked events.

I'm not in the slightest bit surprised.

That's a grim article Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g
At least the doctors centred the needs of the baby - note the moaning about them prioritising the child's welfare
Ms Buckley said when doctors at the hospital learnt she was trying to breastfeed Auden they warned Ms Honnery-Buckley it could put her newborn at risk. The doctors asked Ms Honnery-Buckley to sign a waiver and wanted to see documentary evidence of Ms Buckley's blood infection status

There are quite a few supposedly respectable organisations who should have a gander at this piece from John Stuart Mill. Some are not just at the looking away from harm part (although complicit even at that); they are out of the starting gates carelessly facilitating it, and squashing any dissent to boot.

John Stuart Mill:
“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”

Have always felt this was really impressive and dedicated,

Not being funny, but why?

Flipping heck.

That is a person who is all about their own experience, NOT what is best for their child, isn't it?!

If I was taking any meds, including cross-sex hormones, I'd need one hell of a lot of reassurance from my doctors that it was proven safe for my baby to have my milk, and even then I would break my heart and agonise over whether breast or bottle was best for my kid.

This baby is being used as a prop. Poor kid - I fucking hope it doesn't do them any damage.

www.mothersformother.com/post/the-great-pretenders

"When mothers talk about why they want to breastfeed their babies the reasons are largely around the benefits for their babies. 'I want to optimize her health.' 'It’s the best thing for my baby.' 'He will have less allergies.' 'I want her to feel close to me.'

Reading the accounts of trans “women” who have attempted to create a milk supply, the reasons are quite different. 'I want to feel like a real woman.' 'I wanted to see if I could [produce milk]. 'It’s a personal challenge for me.' If there is even a mention of a baby, it is as an adjunct to the experience of the adult, not as a unique and independent human being."

"Breastfeeding is for the baby. “

"That is a person who is all about their own experience, NOT what is best for their child, isn't it?!"

I'd say not. The key thing is for a parent to connect with his/her child. Once that's happened, he/she will be that much more likely to care for that child.

It's one of those oft-noted, seeming-contradictions in psychology: the more you're in touch with your own feelings, the more you're in touch with the feelings of others.

Don't sweat it, in short: that child is probably OK. :)