Kellie Jay Keen and Tucker Carlson of Fox News

[concernedfriend500]

I used to admire Kellie Jay Keen for her staunch defence of women's rights and her refusal to bow down to the bullies. But I'm so over her now. Last night I watched one of her YouTube videos and she praised Tucker Carlson to the skies, saying what what a good guy he is. For those of you who don't know, Carlson is a right wing troll who has been accused of being a white supremacist. He presents an insanely popular talk show on US Fox News, on which KJL has appeared on several times. Carlson also pushes the "great replacement" theory and no-one with progressive principles should have anything to do with him, let alone normalise his racism. My guess is that KJK has swallowed the "my enemy's enemy is my friend" line and is going down a dangerous rabbit hole. But I'm out.

Yes.

That is exactly the point!

That is the current guidance. You only have to say you are transitioning to be considered under that protected characteristic.

We are constantly and usually gleefully reminded of this.

Back to the purity spiral. Is Nicola Sturgeon anti pro choice because she met with and was photographed with a Republican politician who is lobbying against Roe Wade?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-let-women-down-by-posing-with-anti-abortion-politician-jp3qj2hs3

Sorry no share token.

Sturgeon- the gift that keeps on giving. She hit a record new low recently trying to argue that the war in Ukraine bolsters the case for separatism. She is a truly vile individual.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-war-bolsters-case-for-independence-insists-sturgeon-b90572tw2

I know this thread has diverted onto another subject, but I've just caught up on the responses to this. Firstly, there are a lot of people upset that I've had the temerity to call out Kellie Jay Keen for her adulation of the racist Tucker Carlson. It seems for these KJK fans she can literally do no wrong, which is worrying. Others are saying, yes Tucker Carlson IS a racist, but she's reaching a large audience, so that's alright. They ignore that she's not just tainting herself, but she's undermining an important message by her vocal support of a known racist. Also, I'm not telling anyone else how to think, or to even to agree with me: it's my opinion. Lastly, where KJK praises the "lovely man" Tucker Carlson, who routinely stokes racist resentment to his audience of millions.

I guess KJK can only judge Tucker by how she found him personally? Sadly, a lot of what passes for TV news and commentary (especially in the US, but coming here too thanks to the likes of Nigel Farage and Piers "Morgan" Moron) is polarising performative outrage driven by clicks and views. That doesn't excuse people like Tucker from airing some of the things they say, but it might well mean that their on-air persona does not reflect what they are really like when you meet them in person.

Regardless, KJK got her important message out to a large audience which is what she was quite legitimately aiming to do. And if she found Tucker "lovely" she's entirely free to say so, surely?

It seems for these KJK fans she can literally do no wrong, which is worrying.

It must be really infuriating for some people that women can respect KJK knowing that she is very human. She makes some missteps and here she makes comments about people's direct treatment of her personally and we still respect and appreciate what she does. I think only bad faith takes would assume she meant anything else.

Are you posting that link in bad faith OP?

Firstly, there are a lot of people upset that I've had the temerity to call out Kellie Jay Keen for her adulation of the racist Tucker Carlson

I don't think you've upset anyone with your 'temerity'

I also don't think that her saying he is lovely is adulation either (I know everytime I turn around someone's changed the meaning of a word but I don't think that one's changed)

Some posters on here are just a bit cheesed off with being told what to do

And I know you were just speaking for yourself but that's how these threads go

And no I haven't watched tucker or KJK.

(Though I do get a bit confused...is watching the bad thing or agreeing with it? It just seems that it's the watching of it causing the issue)

@Helleofabore no I'm absolutely not posting the link in bad faith. My post is exactly what it says: KJK does some amazing work, which is why I'm so disappointed in her. My username might give you a clue! 😀

It seems for these KJK fans she can literally do no wrong, which is worrying.

OP, I challenge you to spend as much time as KJK in front of some kind of audience and get every single thing you say correct. No scripts allowed. All off the cuff. Every single time.

If you can understand the nature of what KJK does, maybe you would understand that many of us DO also understand how very hard it is to keep that up and to only ever say the right thing and not have a spontaneous 'oh he was lovely' as a reaction to the way TC treated her.

It is fucking tedious the number of threads recently telling posters who we should not be listening to, who we should not be following, who we should not respect.

If you don't understand why people are fucked off with your ' temerity to call out Kellie Jay Keen for her adulation of the racist Tucker Carlson ' then you are obviously someone who thinks it is ok for others to tell you who to listen to, or you expect people to listen to you.

Express your opinion, fine. But to start a thread as you have, is to undermine KJK's efforts based on who she has recently been interviewed by.

I choose to look at what she has done as a whole. Every woman who is well known in this movement at one time has said or done something I don't agree with. So fucking what. Purity spirals are very isolating.

@Helleofabore I'm glad you acknowledge KJK made a mistake. You say you choose to look at the bigger picture and so do I. This campaign is about so much more than one woman, no matter how charismatic.

I'm glad you acknowledge KJK made a mistake.

I didn't say that her saying that Tucker Carlson was 'lovely' to her was a mistake. I am saying that she does make some statements that can be taken out of context to undermine her.

I used the terms 'misstep' which actually was directed towards her being able to be seen by people who are censorious of who she should be interviewed by as tarnishing her previous work because they want her to only talk to people they feel are righteous enough.

You say you choose to look at the bigger picture and so do I. This campaign is about so much more than one woman, no matter how charismatic.

Of course it is. So... crack on doing what YOU want to do and associate only with people YOU deem as worthy enough.

And expect push back when you try to undermine other people's effort.

Who remembers that time KJK used n//i Barbie for her Spinster avatar?

Political missteps can happen to anyone

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/02/how-paedophiles-infiltrated-the-left-harriet-harman-patricia-hewitt

No I don't

I don't follow her,

one assumes that she finally got fed up of being called Nazi and thought fuck it

Should Patrick Harvie co leader of Scottish Greens have accepted a LGBT award named after someone with a somewhat disputed reputation?

Chris Rufo has ruffled feathers by appearing on Tucker Carlson.

I don't support her

I certainly wouldn't have put that image on my social media

Can we get past the whole 'say one thing that isn't oh my god I hate her and that means that you support her' shtick please

It's boring

I support her. So what? Who the fuck are you to judge people who choose to take a less polarised view to someone based on who they accept to do interviews with.

Who cares if you don't support her, lame & concerned & who ever else is passing judgement, based on who she has done interviews with.

I won't bother repeating myself. I will just say again though,

Crack on doing what YOU want to do and associate only with people YOU deem as worthy enough.

And expect push back when you try to undermine other people's effort who are doing far more than you are bring people together.

And before you try to deny that she is bringing people together, please tell me who gets women to come and listen in speakers corner and other places where they don't need to have any membership to any organisation or even pay to be there.

How on earth concernedfriend500 have you come to the conclusion from this thread that It seems for these KJK fans she can literally do no wrong, which is worrying ?

And no your user name does not suggest that you're a fan in any way. It suggests a typical insincere user name used by one of the creepy monitors who haunt this board, plopping in to scold women when they can't bear the sound of women having independent views that we haven't sought their permission for .

Yes MrsOverton

It must be really infuriating for some people that women can respect KJK knowing that she is very human - just like the rest of us...

Exactly

Like with anything people can have aspects of their characters that impress some and infuriate others

And I can support her right to speak without thinking that everything she does is the mutts nuts

You could always recommend some more suitable reading and viewing to us, op. That's what I would do if I were concerned enough to start a thread.