Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 8

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

@NancyDrawed - thanks. Oooh, freckles!

Same. I'm so glad that Allison raised as much as she did, it showed how many of us are out there supporting, however quietly.

Not all of us are as strong or as brave as her, but I feel more a part of something and that we are pushing back now that we can get behind certain cases and give our support.

Way back in today's tribunal, I thought I heard mention of a weasel. I finally worked out it must've been something like 'Louise'll...'

Anyway, I want to stake my place as first in the queue for a support weasel.

I was supposed to quote this message with my reply above - duh!

'upease' - 731 in the bundle.

Well that's me well out!

I felt so sorry for Allison, facing that enormous bill on top of everything else. I'm so glad that the stress of that at least has been taken from her.

Good luck, Allison!

Anyone got a feel for how TRA Twitter is taking this week in the tribunal?

Thank you! I thought it was rather rude to call BC "Mister" but couldn't quite work out why

What would be more appropriate, QC to QC?

GCC witnesses well versed in this I think

On Ben's (very impressive) CV page at the bottom of all the quotes, there should be a few attributed to Mumsnet, like

"Ben Cooper is a God"

• *😀

I missed that! Do you mean Khan said that AB was at fault for not suggesting that GCC put out a statement condemning the threats against her, ie. Allison??

No, you were right, 'twas an actual weasel. Well, the phrase 'weaselly words'. Quoted from a tweet describing GCC's response on Twitter if I remember rightly.

I agree it is not a hearing that seems ripe in any sense at all for a midway settlement. Both sides have gone this far so might as well continue.

Thank you! I thought it was rather rude to call BC "Mister" but couldn't quite work out why

What would be more appropriate, QC to QC?

mister is not an insult at all and it’s not something restricted to solicitors - that’s a mistake about the difference between my friend and my learned friend. There is no “more appropriate” way of addressing a QC. What do you think BC has been calling AH throughout? “Your Worship”?

Thank you so much for the thread. I've not been able to watch today so grateful for this thread.

Can anyone tell me (without incurring a strike) what Alex Sharpe's tweet(s) said?

When he called them weasels, though...

Perfection.

The tory turvy nature of all this. Just reading Ben's CV, in another reality Ben would be at Garden Court Chambers leading the fight for women's equality. It's what they pride themselves on isn't it, their impressive reputation of fighting inequality. Until now. Just shows how screwed up it all is.

As soon as AB had raised the funds Xenia I couldn't see how this case might settle. It would save money, but for AB, saving any of the funds raised wouldn't have benefitted her financially, and the kind of apology she would have required would have been impossible for GCC to give.

I concur, m'learned Mumsnetter

Thanks, Critical. I was making a cup of tea at the time so kept missing bits.

Off-topic, and I'm way behind in this thread, but the points you make about the ridiculously contradiction in "speak up/don't speak up" are amongst the topics covered in John McWhorter's (pretty good) Woke Racism. Of course, race activists regard McWhorter as the "wrong kind" of black man, just like Stephanie Hayden is the "wrong kind" of transwoman for trans activists.

Can anyone tell me (without incurring a strike) what Alex Sharpe's tweet(s) said?

See page 30 of 32:

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/PH-Bundle-pp-350-381-Response-to-Stonewall-Complaint.pdf

There are other choice examples of Sharpe's work in that document.

IANAL (but I do appear at Tribunals)... settlement can happen pretty much at any time I think. I once had the experience of being cross-examined and destroyed for three or four hours... came out in a state of minor shock, called my client's solicitor (neither party had legal representation at the hearing) and got told that the parties were writing to Tribunal to tell them not to bother deliberating or coming to a decision as the matter had been settled by solicitors on the phone whilst the hearing was ongoing!

TheBiologyStupid - "just like Stephanie Hayden is the "wrong kind" of transwoman for trans activists."

I am 100% certain you mean Debbie Hayton!