Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

Looks like this was the plan for JD

Ive seen no evidence he’s even acknowledged the severity of his addictions let alone his plan to deal with them.

Her His friends were probably all using as well all bankrolled by JD as they were living in his apartment.

corrected that for you.

You may not want to believe it was her fault, but drug usage around someone who's sobriety is fragile can 100% trigger a relapse.

His alcohol and drug abuse is not her fault. The three C’s? I don’t doubt AH was naive in thinking she could change him, when she realised the extent of his problems. It’s clear she didn’t realise at first the extent of the problem so why shouldn’t she take recreational drugs when it’s was completely normal in their social circle?

And yes if he was clucking he will have wanted his "medication" possibly a substitute immediately. You don't cluck on some sort of regulated shift pattern. It varies from hour to hour/day to day. To withhold medication from someone who will need it to maintain their sobriety is cruel.

If that’s what you want to believe you crack on. I think you’re extremely naive to the point of being creepily invested in making him out to be some sort of poor abused invalid. Maybe his prescription medication was OxyContin? But seriously have you listened to the audio where she begging him and he wants to ‘do his thing’? Yea sure, she was withholding all his prescribed drug substitutes.

You have to remember when an addict perceives someone as stopping them getting their hit, no matter how much they love and rely on that person in normal life, that person will become the worst person in the world to them. Cruel, punishing, evil. This is the delusion Depp has suffered from.

Haven't really followed it as it seems so toxic. What did stick out at one point there was a taped conversation between the two of them where she basically taunts him to say what he wants as no one would believe a small woman like her would abuse a man. It came across as she could do and say what she wanted as no-one would believe him. Let's face it it's largely true she say anything people will choose to believe her over him. He's a man she's a woman, whatever happened she will automatically be accepted as the victim and him the perpetrator.

It may not be her fault, but if you wanted to support someone you supposedly loved with their addiction, not actively using Infront of them would be one way to support.

I'm not quite sure why you have decided to be so aggressive towards me, not once have I said or denied that JD is abusive in any of my previous posts. Not once have I said he's a angel and fawned over him. But you seemed to have just jumped on me.

But each to their own I suppose.

I'm not following this case at all. I have no strong beliefs or fandoms either way.

What bothers me most of all is the treatment that AH is getting and how this might influence women in the future - to do nothing or influence society to become even more misogynistic

No matter what happens there will be no winners and the loss to women in future is probably immeasurable.

JDs press team is better - I found myself falling for all the stories I've seen across social media.

I gave my head a serious wobble.

She testified that she used MDMA and mushrooms twice in front of him before she realised the scale of his problem.
Hardly snorting loads of Coke around him.
If an addict wants to use they will, regardless of what others are doing

I'd rather say he made people around him use more, as addicts often may do(at least to some of my observations). I think Whitney used more coke around him or would join him

I just saw Ellen Barkin testimony-I love how she delivered it. Straight and simple.

At this point if you still believe AH is the abuser and JD the victim, you’re being wilfully ignorant.

Bottom line, she got away from him and instead of letting her go he chose to continue his abuse of her by dragging her through court.

I think she’s amazing. She’s so strong. Going through this, it must feel like the world is against her and yet she goes to that court every day with her head held high, while JD and his cronies laugh and snigger and put on a show for the cameras.

They've fooled a lot of people and years from now when everyone’s having the inevitable “we were wrong about Amber Heard” discussion I’ll gladly be there reminding them that I wasn’t. The evidence has been there all along. You just have to take your blinkers off and look for it.

Hear hear

Depps fans totally overlooked this whole day judging by comments. They either say controlling and jealous is not an issue or they completley skew what they heard like saying Ellen Barkin said he was throwing bottle at someone else, when she actually said he was aiming at her just missed her. It's really crazy to me to listen people repeat the same stuff I was watching as almost completely different thing-ok I get the perception part or different standpoint but actually qouting different words and happenings?..I'm impressed. That's why I decided to follow it, because if you go ny clips and comments things get waay twisted

Heard's an abuser. It's bleedin' obvious. Just get over it. Depp probably is too ... but that doesn't negate the fact that Heard is. She's slight, she's slender, she's delicate, she has a perfect nose and knows how to weep softly and endearingly ... but she's an abuser.

@ides Depp “probably” is and abuser you say? It’s been proven in a court of law that he is in fact an abuser. AH reacting to that abuse by fighting back does not make her an abuser.

Let's face it it's largely true she say anything people will choose to believe her over him. He's a man she's a woman, whatever happened she will automatically be accepted as the victim and him the perpetrator.

How can people type shit like this without any self awareness whatsoever?

I'll add that to my ever-growing list of things 'I need to get over'...

Anyways, this is not what this court case is about, he is not suing her for being violent to him, he is suing her for saying that he was violent to her (which he, by all accounts, was...)

He is willing to agree that he has a substance abuse problem and that he trashes rooms

She is unwilling to agree she ever did anything wrong and everything is someone else's fault and photos are wrong doctors are wrong even the recording she made thats wrong too

The whole thing makes me want to wash tbh on one side we have a woman and her friends leaching off a rich drunk and the other side we have a rich drunk

You do that, and more power to your elbow. :) Weep softly into the night, as is the place of we poor fragile women in this world ....

The reality is that if she abused him - and it seems pretty clear that she did - then his violence to her (small as it was) was, over the long term, defensive ... and understandable. You knock the hand away of a person who's trying to harm you, and that person gets a bruise, well - it's not your fault, is it?

Good luck with that list of things you have to get over. ;)

😂 Idk as someone mentioned anyone can post here, as in I assumed that mostly people following feminist sub would see/comment but clearly not

Only a British court of law, I'm afraid. You might believe that the British know how to get to the truth better than anyone else in the world, but others may not. Shocking, I know. ;)

One day in the future this will all be dissected and analysed in a similar way to how we look back at MJ and JS. I do wonder how many internet bots will be discovered.

ObjectionHearsay I apologise. I’m sick to the back teeth of seeing so many people on MN defending Depps clearly unreasonable and abusive behaviour. I’d assumed wrongly that most people here would be supportive of AH. I feel like I’m in a parallel universe. I think I need to stay off these threads because I’m finding them increasingly triggering and it’s making me not very nice!

It's ok, I think when you are fed up of banging your head against a wall you can get a headache and finally snap. I understand. Hope you feel better soon.

@DingleyDel you’re not the only one. There is something very odd going on, I’m absolutely sure of it.

medium.com/@larissaibumi/amber-heard-and-the-myth-of-the-medusa-revisited-d5beb188422

This is a great article if anyone’s interested.

Same. That is why I've been watching it.
The last two days of testimony, there is no doubt in my mind he's a jealous and controlling addict. Money issues that were stressing him. Lost work due to addiction.

All of this is ignored by his fans

I also think the perspectives being put forward by new posters are a bit odd....that's the Internet for you

He also lost work due to the fact he lost his looks, but he and his fans won’t admit to that.