Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

Instead she tried to paint herself as a battered wife living in fear of her abusive husband - which was clearly not the case.

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Unless we were there I don't think anyone can say that's not the case.

Regardless this is a case he is bringing and he has to prove he hasn't been abusive. That's what this case is about.

Vanessa and Winona came forward and said Depp was never violent or abusive towards them in any way (he was with Paradis for 14 years).

Ambers ex girlfriend reported being hit by Amber 🤷🏼‍♀️

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

Yes and he will likely lose this case. However the OP’s post was all about how unfairly Heard was being treated by public perception and all of what I wrote are the very good reasons (amongst others) why she has so little public support - aside from from from those like OP who see this through “feminist power analysis” which apparently means she is only capable of being abused by Depp and not the reverse and there is no such thing as mutual abuse (I prefer the less dramatic term volatile relationship). It is understandable how if you think in that fashion it would seem Heard is being treated unfairly. But most people don’t agree with it see things through that lens.

I read somewhere that Vanessa said(possibly to someone else unrelated to this case)that he smashed plate or something. Winona asked lawyers to not use her statement in court I think already back in 2020(and it was taken out of context, I think she started off with something like"I wasn't there but he wasn't like that with me"). We just heard a witness(his friend for 30+ years)say he was confiding in him about his jealousy with both Vanessa and another partner, as well as Winona describing him as"protective and caring"-while Jennifer Garner who was with him for 9 months or so back in the day characterised it along lines of controlling and possesive. He also used less drugs and was a bit less famous back then, possibly one of the reasons why he wasn't entitled and agressive to that extent.

I observed that he also has a thing for petite, young, thin women. He never dates anyone like Ronda Rousey and as an actor he basically has swiss table in front of him when it comes to who he can"pick"as his partner. I wonder why are people never critical of the fact that men intentionally like and pick women who don't seem very phyiscally strong(Amber as far as I know started martial stuff only after but could be wrong. Even then, she's not exactly what you think of as tough when you see her, especially at 23-25 when she met Depp-she looked like a teen girl).

Oh and Amber being abusive to her ex was debunked. Again taken out of context, her partner was elaborate about it.

Yes - his ex brother in law testimony today was interesting, that Johnny would express jealousy but it was unfounded.

What we've heard over the last 2 days in consistent with what Amber says. And he hasn't got any of his previous girlfriends to testify in court under oath to him about what they have said to the press.

Whitney's testimony about the NDA also illustrates why it might be that previous partners haven't spoken out.

Now you really have a problem with him (and men in general) dating conventionally pretty women and not “women like Ronda Rousey”? As though that means anything here.

It’s hardly a secret that most men aren’t trying to date heavily muscled women with the faces (noses) of professional fighters, I guess because they find them masculine. But then again most women aren’t trying to date highly feminine men either. That doesn’t make either abusive.

Depp went for the young, pretty Heard - but Heard also went for the older, famous and rich man with status so instinct cuts two ways.

NDA is definitely a reason why Paradis wouldn't talk, he has a clear abusve behaviour pattern that seems to be progressing over the years. I would be willing to bet there were similar instances he was abusive to her too over the span of their marriage but since they have kids together, I don't believe she would ever try to go against NDA and do all of this. I would not do this either even if I had money. There are women out there he has been with that definitely recognise what Amber was talking about.

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??? no, JD is the one who is suing her?

Again it's the "not a perfect or likeable victim " therefore it couldn't have happened thing.

@ObjectionHearsay

Did Heard really have much of a career aside from those big roles her fame through connections to famous men helped get her though? From what I’ve seen of her she isn’t much really, no special charisma and hardly Meryle Streep in the acting department - yes she is (or was) pretty but not especially beautiful or unique in her look - there are a lot of young women who look just like her without her baggage and who have youth on their side for the kind of roles she goes for.

She’s kind of the it girl who didn’t really make it as an it girl who is now to old to be an it girl.

That may be but it doesn't mean a person will not hit another partner.

Nothing I've heard in this case so far merits the appalling treatment AH is receiving from some of the public. It's pretty much a witch hunt.

Though I suppose for some of his fans, after hearing those disgusting text messages JD sent all bets are off and Hunting season on AH is officially open

That may be the case that she was never destined for a Oscar nod, but she could have still done small film roles or even move over to TV.

But that's gone for her now, they won't even sign her for a shot hallmark Christmas film will they.

She will be in financial ruin soon, with her "pledges" not being fulfilled and so on.

She is in a vulnerable place, and regardless of the "relationship" I do fear what will become of her.

I think they are both fucked up and need to stay well away from eachother. I did think the clinical psychologist (who was hired by Depp questionable impartiality ) was dodgy she met AH over 2 days then proceeded to diagnose her with BPD and HPD then tell the entire world. Definitely not ethical .

Has anyone seen Waldmans tweets to Amber Heard and so on? I didn't know he was banned for life on twitter

>>>the clinical psychologist (who was hired by Depp questionable impartiality ) was dodgy she met AH over 2 days then proceeded to diagnose her with BPD and HPD then tell the entire world. Definitely not ethical .

Er... she was an independent medical expert. That was her job. That's what medical experts in litigation do.

They are non-treating medical experts who are hired either by both parties as a joint expert (rare in very contested cases) or each party gets their own expert in the same specialism - whether that is psychiatry, orthopaedics, general practice.

They meet with the party, review their medical records and write a report on them. Happens all the time both in the UK and the USA.

They are specifically hired to give public evidence. There is nothing unethical about it.

@ChesapeakeEmbarrassed "Exaggaration"is such a BS thing to include in your"diagnosis". What is exaggaration to her may not be to someone else. I guess every other American in Poland or maybe Japan would be labeled almost half if not more of what she listed as BPD symptoms along with"exaggaration". It's common to gaslight women by saying they are being overly dramatic and sensitive, she didn't need a degree for that. Dr. Hughes is far more experienced and she disagreed with her observations and to be honest I had an impression that he actually used calling Amber"crazy"and then wanted to get someone to confirm what he thinks to discredit her. If I'm not mistaken, she is one of the lawyers friends. I bet they were commenting on her between each other in private conversation at some point too

Waldman never had any training on domestic violence-SHOCKER lol

I’ve written this on another thread but her description of being close to a man with severe addictions (and there are levels of addiction) is so accurate. The crazy behaviour, the paranoia, the verbal abuse and violence is all part of what serious addiction (severe physical dependence on drugs and or alcohol) will do to a person. 100% believe AH was abused by Depp. I’m not saying she’s a saint, no one is. She probably made mistakes as she was a young women completely ill equipped to deal with a man like Depp. He is probably still suffering from delusions now, I don’t even know if he’s completely sober but even if he is it’s not surprising he can’t face up to what his behaviour has done to those around him and the fact that he 100% ruined his own career. I do have sympathy with him too, it’s an awful illness however I haven’t seen much evidence that he had/has much acceptance of his problems.

@DingleyDel it also sounds really unfair he sort of burdened her with his addiction, in my opinion if it's about accountability then he should have start by acknowledging it's probably better he deals with it on his own without using other people as a reason for his relapse or use etc as he did. At that point if he wanted to get clean he should have go to one of those rehab places and have limited contact with her instead of doing this weird thing with doctor and her giving him his pills then lash out on her if she didn't because it wasn't time yet and also cheating by taking drugs and drinking regardless of what doctor says. That was a fail.

It's clear to me that JD was provably abusive, insofar as emotional abuse and intimidation so for me it would be a huge miscarriage if the jury finds in his favour. Unfortunately, I think because there are several times AH has lied under oath its become a personality contest and I'm less sure the jury will find in her favour.

It's also 100% clear in my mind that AH has been physically abusive towards JD but shrugs accountability because of denial that she "could ever hurt" him. That's not the focus of the case though.

I struggle to feel sympathy for either of them, because I believe them both to be abusive but I do worry about AH's mental health and safety regardless of the outcome.

Is this Berkley guy laughing at Waldman being called mignon or minion or whatever 😂he looks like he wants to laugh at it like a 5yr old kid 😂

She was actively using cocaine with and around him. This is a trigger in addiction. You may not want to believe it was her fault, but drug usage around someone who's sobriety is fragile can 100% trigger a relapse.

Her friends were probably all using as well all bankrolled by JD as they were living in his apartment.

Resedential rehabilitation doesn't work for everyone, it's not this magic cure to addiction. Some manage in community with community drug programmes. Looks like this was the plan for JD. And yes if he was clucking he will have wanted his "medication" possibly a substitute immediately. You don't cluck on some sort of regulated shift pattern. It varies from hour to hour/day to day. To withhold medication from someone who will need it to maintain their sobriety is cruel.

Well I’ve heard it all now! Don’t even know where to start with this tbh, other than the fact you are right about rehab. The only proven treatment for addiction is long term community based.