Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

The vast majority of people disagree with you

this idea that because the mainstream view is that Johnny Depp is 'likeable' then any one who deviates from that is in the wrong

you do know you're on the Feminism board don't you? by definition we're used to understanding that we're right even when most people say we're wrong

did you know that the majority used to say women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

drawing attention to the fact that the police found a 15 year old being raped and arrested her is a cheap shot?

that doesn't give you any pause about the prevailing attitudes in society?

okey doke

It's a cheap shot because it's a "gotcha" - nobody is going to argue that wasn't abhorrent. Still hee haw to do with Amber.

"by definition we're used to understanding that we're right even when most people say we're wrong"

well, you''re, eh, confident, I'll give you that.

That is completely differnet.
The reality is, none of us actually know what went on in that house. We just have to let the courts do their job.

He's not suing her for saying he's not likeable, he knows his flaws and he's talked about them quite honestly, unlike Amber who has never done anything wrong in her life.

This version of 'feminism' is all well and good, but you can't actually be 'right' ont his one. Neither can I. the jury will give their opinion and we'll have ours. Even JOhnny and Amber can only know their version of events.

The feminist version of "shes a woman and woman in life get bla bla bla so therefore shes right" is truly batshit, and i'm just glad to see that in this case Amber supporters are in the minority because it shows that the world is finally starting to realise that them vs us just doesn't work.

I'd be interested to know your views on Roxanne Pallett.

Narcissists are also very charismatic, manipulative and show the face you want to see.
There is a reason why narcissistic traits are so prevalent in leaders.
I think the fact he's had numerous intense, passionate, volatile short lived relationships shows a pattern in his behaviour consistent with him being a narcissist.

Lots, and lots, of people have relationships like that.

Is Amber a narcissist?

UK appeal heard from charities that people use pledge and donate interchangeably, and didn't agree this was grounds for appeal. So is it definitely a lie or is it sloppy language?

In her case it's a lie. "Pledge" is a vague and meaningless term.

For an obligation to be enforceable in most cases mutuality and a bilateral obligation is required except in specific circumstances where one party has a unilateral obligation to do something. Parents have a unilateral obligation to support their children; Depp had a unilateral obligation to pay $7 million to Heard.

If Heard agreed to buy my car for $1,000 on condition she pays after 12 months I can sue her if she doesn't pay. If Heard agreed to buy my car for $1,000 on condition Elon Musk pays after 12 months I can sue both of them if he doesn't pay. If Heard tells me she likes me so much she will give me $1,000 in 12 months , nothing I can do if she reneges. And it's no different for the charity.

The only way a charity could enforce a "pledge" is possibly if , relying on it, they had committed to expenditure they would not otherwise have done; or possibly if a proper, formal arrangement was entered into between the charity and the donor. There's nothing to suggest the latter happened. At least one of the charities asked when they were getting the money. They would hardly have asked that if a formal long term arrangement had been entered into.

but you can't actually be 'right' ont his one

I think I managed to correctly express your thoughts on this? Can you express what you think mine are?

Fuck knows. Her relationship history appears to be a lot less high profile.

That both are as bad as one another.

This is hilarious
"Give me an example where the female victim wasn't likeable"
"Here's one,"
"How's that relevant?"
Eerr, you asked for one?? 😂

There is a WORLD of difference between a reaction a woman in a case and a fuck up by the police, as well you know.

In her case it's a lie. "Pledge" is a vague and meaningless term.

She never signed anything to legally oblige her, Doherty testified that. She clearly intended to keep donating otherwise she wouldn't donate all those sums and keep saying she will before this trial and now

Amber wasn't there for the Kate Moss stairs incident. It's possible that she heard this story from others and believed it was true and was genuinely scared.

Listening to the full audio of the "taunting" (about whether people would believe he was a victim) phone call painted an entirely different dynamic from that presented by his lawyers from snippets.

They are doing their job and may be doing a better job than AH's team. But it doesn't mean that their interpretation of the evidence is closest to the truth.

I wish I didn't believe Heard had been abused, because it is utterly disturbing to believe she has been and watch her go through this and see people supporting him and wave away even the undisputed stuff which shows what he was like.

This is very confusing. AFAIK no charities are enforcing the pledge/donation whatever. I don't understand how any of that means she lied?

Also, as her lawyer said, in California its no fault divorce and she would be entitled to 50% of his earnings in the time they were married. Which was £65m pounds.

Its very confusing how she accepted a settlement of 20% of what she was entitled to, said she was going to donate it to charity, then said she was unable to because she has legal fees to pay because he keeps suing her, and somehow she's the lying gold digger?

She wanted a post nup, he sacked her lawyer, she's the lying gold digger?

I really don't understand the logic at all.

The donation/pledge thing is only relevant if you think she got involved with Depp for his money, if that was the case why didn't she go for the full amount she was entitled to?

No, that's not the only reason. It's relevant because it shows that she's not credible, and that's part of all of this.

OK I'll bite then
Joanne Lees
The unknown woman in the Ched Evans rape case
Sally Clark
Amanda Knox

That's just a few

He is equally not credible and yet you are adamant he doesn't deserve what's happened to him (as a result of him suing people and having all this put into the public domain)
Honestly. You look a bit silly now

This. 100 percent, every word.

I have found my people!

These were criminal trials (again, the police).
WHich of these were directly related to one personality being more "likeable" than the other?

This is what annoys me.
It's a total whataboutery.

She can do what she likes because his violence will always be worse.

He hasn't faced a criminal trial. the trial is about defamation, so given that the verdict rests on credibility, her lying is pretty important here.

Isn't it interesting that men cause women's actions but if I was to suggest that a woman's actions caused a man's......ooft.

Seconded.