Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

i think at one point you said you thought they were both as bad a s each other

you seem quite OK with the idea that her career is over but his will probably be ok

does she deserve greater punishment?

What seems to have come out of this case is that, to many, JD is likeable whereas AH is not

female victims often aren't

it is safer and easier to align yourself with the more powerful side

the idea that anyone could listen to any of the trial and come out of it thinking Johnny Depp is likeable though....yowsers. Just the bits I've read this afternoon mean I could cheerfully never look at him again.

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg I never said I was ok with his career improving and hers being over. I said I think his will improve and gave my reasons why but that doesn't mean I agree it should happen. They were in a toxic relationship. Both did terrible things to the other. It's not up to me how Hollywood or the public react to either of them going forward and who faces the greater consequence. All I know is that I won't be watching either in anything.

and just to be clear, Amber Heard is also clearly repellant

^^^oh if anything has been more clear than ever that's how much people dislike women like Amber. It's not about her as individual-it's everything she does that would be equally hated(a bit less if you appease to patriachy with looks, behaviour or something else to compensate but not even that would save you in certain situations as we can see)if it was done by almost any other woman.

There do seem to be a variety of views

I think @minutesturntohours , you don't believe Heard has been subjected to any abuse at all?

and @Chulainn , I think you believe Heard has been abused, but the lies she has told and the abuse she has dished out are more heinous than the abuse she has suffered?

But that's just not true.

Can you give me another example where a female 'victim' wasnt likeable?

Yes, we arent one person

No, I'm afraid I dont.

I think she entered into a toxic, dreadful, relationship with a drug addict and alcoholic. But do I believe he regularly beat and raped her?

No.

Now if you talk about things like self harming in front of her and defacing a sofa and count that abuse, which many would, theres an argument there. But that isnt what tbe article is about.

I dont believe he raped her with a broken bottle or physically ever hit her so therefore I believe hr has to win this case.

Projection. Total and utter projection.

I defended caroline flack and had murders with folk over her.

Its about tbe person. You're projecting.

I was on board with amber losing aqua man as my view is she lied about the abuse.

I dont think anything Johnny has done means he shouldnt work.

But this is all just our own opinion.

The verdict wont matter. Johnny has won back round the public and that's a lot more to do with his story and being believable and likeable than what between his legs.

OK thanks for the "lies"
Hicksville trailer not trashed said one witness who came forward after making a comment on an online Johnny Depp fan posting and being approached by the defence. Vs several witnesses on Amber's side who said it was trashed and also IIRC his finance person who said he paid quite a large amount to clear up. So that's not a proven lie, is it?

Dropped from Aquaman and had to beg to get her job back. Role then cut vs texts Johnny sent to friends and WB management telling them to pull her from the team. Where is the lie here?

Did not donate. Pledge isn't the same. Mortgages aren't pledged!
But just in case you think rich people pledge Iver so many years, she did not arrange a 10yr payment plan with Children's Hospital. (Nor dd she respond to their letters about the donation.)
UK appeal heard from charities that people use pledge and donate interchangeably, and didn't agree this was grounds for appeal. So is it definitely a lie or is it sloppy language?

Said she didn't know any news outlet knew of her filing divorce. Then said in deposition that she knew TMZ had been alerted. Because they were there when she arrived....

Said she always wore makeup when outside. Did not wear makeup when TMZ showed up to photograph her. Because she said her friend persuaded her not to hide what Depp did. Always wearing make up then choosing not to is not a lie.

She said the op ed was not about Depp. Then said it was. She said it was about her life experience which depp was part of. She has never claimed her experiences with Depp didn't inform the article. She has said its her perspective based on lots of experiences and she should be allowed to write about her life. Again, where is the lie there?

I'm so confused as to how people confidently state "she lied, he didnt" where from my perspective the objective facts point more to her being truthful than him.

I don't think the lies are more heinous than the abuse and have not said that at all. Abusive behaviour is beyond disgusting and never acceptable. What I've said, many times, is that her lies have damaged her credibility as a witness, in the context of the court case.

They really, really dont.

Security for the pair as a couple claimed they had never, ever, seen one bit of evidence that he assaulted her. Her assistant and psychologist said he was abused.

Unless Johnny is an award winning perfect actor (which let's face it ue isnt) hes done a very good job of convincing us his story. He literally disassociate when he recalls it, unlike amber who appears to picture a script in her head.

He still loves her. That much is evident.

I thought this but then I read more, listened to the audios and the court case.

Depp has many hallmarks of a narcissistic abuser

• the love bombing and idealisation (he met the woman and knew she was perfect - said about Winona Ryder, Kate Moss, Vanessa Paradis and Amber)

The devaluing (calling the cuts, extortionate, "easy", after his money) The discard (walking away, telling them he hates them etc)

None if his eyes stood up for him in court to say he wasn't abusive, one stood up to say he was and friends testified he's unreasonably jealous

I think she had childhood trauma and is insecure and clingy. He lovebombed her and then stonewalled which made her frustrated. Its human nature.

Not a healthy relationship but by default, abusive relationships aren't healthy.

Double standards are at play.

Amber referenced Kate re the rumour that Johnny pushed her down the stairs. Kste says he didnt.

Amber apologists say well that doesnt mean he easnt abusive to Amber, which is fine.

But she can reference an incident that dkdnt happen?

So just because he didnt assault Kate doesnt mean he didnt assault Amber, yet Amber can use a non event as evidence that he assaulted her (well sorry, excuse for why she assaulted him).

This man raped her with a broken bottle, cut his own finger off in her presence, regularly beat her and tried to throw her sister down the stairs and she never once had even a conversation with the police?

If she wasnt a celebrity and all this money had stake her arse wojldnt touch tbe seat on the stand as a credible witness.

Johnny isn't a narcissist.

Narcissists use people as objects, drain them and move on. they dont see people as people.

Johnny has a great degree of reflection, a respectful way of talking about Amber, a genuine love for his partners, and has been very honest and insightful in his thoughts on the stand.

People are too quick to jump to narcissism.

Unless Johnny is an award winning perfect actor

Errr....you do realise he's been around for some time and won plenty of stuff? He had time to practice his acting all these years, which may not be convincing to me but clearly is to many others

"None if his eyes stood up for him in court to say he wasn't abusive, one stood up to say he was and friends testified he's unreasonably jealous"

That's not true. Kate Moss did. The others couldn't be summoned for some legal reason (they could summon Kate Moss because Amber mentioned her). Ellen Barkin said he was never physically violent towards her.

Child sexual abuse victim arrested when she was 15 and found in bed with an adult man:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/01/sammy-woodhouse-interview

the man who texted this about his ex-wife is 'likeable'

I have no mercy, no fear and not an ounce of emotion, or what I once thought was love for this gold digging, low level, dime a dozen, mushy, pointless dangling overused flappy fish market.

right you are

Well, good for you.

The vast majority of people disagree with you.

Thankfully the texts can't influence the jury, because they should never have been admitted as evidence int he first place.

Johnny has a great degree of reflection, a respectful way of talking about Amber, a genuine love for his partners, and has been very honest and insightful in his thoughts on the stand.

err, did you see the text above

you are very invested. but he is not a nice man I'm afraid

Failure by the police. Completely different (as Amber hasn't spoken to a criminal officer - wonder why!) and quite a cheap shot really - partly given the amount of support the Rotherham case now has!

😂

I'm no more invested than anyone else on this thread.

Meh. He sent a stupid text. she mocked his mother, his children, and said equally as vile things.

Doesn't make him any less believable on the stand.