Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

Of course amber didnt want it to go to court...she wanted to write whatever she wanted with no action. Tough.

IF Amber has been abused in the way she claims, I would, yes. So dont try and imply she wouldnt want it public given the graphic details she js now giving (that werent heard in tbe UK court in public)

It's as simple as this. She didnt want to go to either court because shes lying.

Why focus on the sex, though? On the loaded statements?

Amber deserves everything she gets. She could be a 55 year old man called Jamie for all i care. I'd say the same.

The case is far from boring. Unless of course to someone like you who doenst fancy it because what it does is highlight attitudes from people like you who refuse any kind of criticism from women. Amber tried that publicly - behave as I like with no consequences as I'm.a woman.. It's not gone well, as thankfully attitudes are changing, and views like yours are in the minority.

Amber tried that publicly - behave as I like with no consequences as I'm.a woman..

you think AH anticipated no consequences to her actions because she's a woman?

in effect you think she behaved like this (and I'm certainly not arguing that her behaviour has been reprehensible) BECAUSE she's a woman? That's a very interesting starting point

Amber deserves everything she gets. She could be a 55 year old man called Jamie for all i care. I'd say the same.

I'm not sure you would though. Maybe. Maybe you're the only person in the world untouched by growing up in a system that always favours men. But from the conclusions you have drawn, I doubt it

So if Amber is a responsible mother she shouldn't have gone public and played it out on national TV. But the fact she was a responsible mother and chose not to go public in the criminal courts also damns her, because it's a sign she's lying. The reality is Amber can't win.

Because if you dont 100 percent women regardless of the situation, you're a troll 😂 I dont know why we bother having courts. Jail the men, crown the women, job done.

I'n sorry, that should say I believe her behaviour HAS been reprehensible

Jail the men, crown the women

that is an interesting statement - is that really what you think is happening here? that people pointing out that Jonny Depp is undoubtedly a violent man are 'crowning' Amber Heard?

that simply acknowledging bad behaviour by a man in some way unreasonable endorses women?

I highly doubt amber who is alleging I national TV about being raped with a broken bottle, trying to imply that Johnny assaulted Kate (having lost her battle at convincing people he assaulted her) and played a sterling role at trying to be some kind of domestic abuse idol, can be held up as somehow trying to protect her child.

The criminal trial would probably never have go e thus public
. The sexual claim was dismissed at the uk trial.

Nice switch there, but no, thankfully tbe vast majority of people arent going that way.

Nobody said Iohnny isnt violent, including Johnny

What we are saying is ber claims are lies.

A PP said we are a troll for supporting Johnny so what else can I take from that?

It's not gone well, as thankfully attitudes are changing

the idea that making women responsible for male violence is in some way progressive...!

Yes, attitudes like mine are in the minority, sadly

A system that favours men?

Two words for you. Family courts.

What you are doing here is taking your own views and putting them on a case. I am going purely on the case and evidence in front of me (like a juror would).

You're using loaded questions again.

Amber lied. You can play as many word games as you like, but she did.

Nice switch there, but no, thankfully tbe vast majority of people arent going that way.

Nobody said Iohnny isnt violent, including Johnny

What we are saying is ber claims are lies.

A PP said we are a troll for supporting Johnny so what else can I take from that?

'We' is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that post. I guess you feel that you are part of a righteous, progressive tribe? How lucky that it also chimes nicely with your internalised misogyny

I further guess that Edwards Scissorhands came to your attention at a formative time in your life

Amber lied. You can play as many word games as you like, but she did

yes I know. And Johnny Depp is a violent, abusive man. you seem to feel that Amber Heard's behaviour is far, far worse though. Why is that?

No....I meant me and tbe poster accused of being trolls.

I've no idea what your last nonsense is about, as I havent seen a single Johnny Depp film apart from Pirates, but I'm assuming it means something very clever.

Misogyny. Yawn.

No, I just dont believe Amber.

You of course wont be able to believe anything given you havent seen tbe trial and just popped on to have a go at men 😂

Shes a liar.

He isnt.

So is it Ok to lie about abuse then?

How very...feminist, of you.

amber has disgraced real victims and you want to support her. How very feminist of you. I'm sure all the women now worried to come forward due to the publicity of a proven liar will be thankful to you.

Shes a liar.

He isnt.

her lies are worse than his violence?

that's a strange position to take

just popped on to have a go at men

I think you are reaching rather If you can show me what I've said in this thread that is 'having a go at men' I'd be very interested to read it

amber has disgraced real victims and you want to support her

as before, I'd be interested which of my comments on this thread you consider to be 'supporting' Amber Heard.

Jesus christ.

He didn't abuse her. Shes lying.

Watch tbe bloody trial. Its exasperating speaking to someone who doesnt actually know what is happening

For what it's worth, by supporting Amber you are doing a discredit to all women as she is now going to perpetuate the 'women lie about abuse' issue that real victims have to deal with.

Are you quite Ok?

the UK court referred only to his drinking and his temper.
That's not true. The judge found it was true that he was a wife beater and that was upheld at appeal.

Shes a liar.

He isnt.

He's been shown to lie to the same extent as her. His UK testimony differs to his US testimony. He told some people he cut his own finger off and some people he didn't. He says he's a "gentleman" while calling women cunts, cum guzzlers and flappy fish markets.

Why do you explain away all his inconsistencies while branding her a liar?