Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

No, he isnt.

Hes never claimed he wasnt a drinker, took drugs, or his moods, or a victim of parental abuse, or caused damage to property (she knew all of this when she married him).

What he is denying is that he is a domestic abuser who abused a poor defenceless woman. Because he isnt. What do you want him to do, lie?

men are killed and injured by their female partners at a similar scale to women being killed and injured by male partners and 2) that men are less likely to report domestic abuse than women because of the shame.

Neither of these things has anything to do with the case though, does it?

In this case I believe shes a liar and that he while toxic didnt do half the things she says he did. I dont care what sex she is. In another, I might believe the opposite.

People have a skewed version of feminism. It doesn't mean protect the woman at all costs. It means men and women being equal.

Incidentally, the reason she has been mocked is because she is lying. She deserves what is coming to her.

Amber is on tape mocking him while he self harmed and cried about his mother and children, but that's Ok because shes a woman.

I was responding to this
If Johnny was the real victim in this relationship and was defamed by Amber (who pretended to be the abused when she was actually an abuser) what does the support Amber received from the mainstream media say to men? Basically that you won't ever be believed. That only women should be believed.
What other men are being abused in similar circumstances (regardless of the truth of this particular case) and have no chance of being believed?

I was basically pointing out it's arse because 1) there are far more women victims watching than men and 2) the way Johnny is being treated is very sympathetic compared to how Amber is being treated so unlikely to put off male victims coming forward, even if he loses.

But shes right. The only reason Johnny has that support is because she is outright lying and weve watched the whole trial, seen every clip, and we know the narrative. The whole thing has been televised.

A normal man against someone like Amber wouldnt stand a chance.

"A normal man"would hopefully not assault his partner. In that case"a normal man"has nothing to worry about

Heck, even most abusive men have nothing to worry about. These comments are so off the mark with respect to being on feminist sub I don't even know where to begin

Amber is on tape mocking him while he self harmed and cried about his mother and children, but that's Ok because shes a woman

Johnny is on tape telling her she is irrelevant, calling her a fucking cunt and telling her to die. He texts his friends saying he hopes her corpse is rotting in the boot of a car. But that's ok because he's a man.

It's ridiculous.

I've watched the whole trial, seen the whole narrative and it shows he's a violent abuser with the money and power to hound his victim through the courts. A normal woman standing up to a man like that wouldn't stand a chance either. So meh. We disagree.

People have a skewed version of feminism. It doesn't mean protect the woman at all costs

mmm. It doesn't mean when a man and a woman both behave badly, you should leap to the man's defence and say the woman 'deserves what's coming to her' either though, does it?

It means men and women being equal

I don't think you are being even handed in your reaction to the shocking behaviour of these two people, maybe have a think about why that is?

Is it Ok that Amber assaulted Johnny, then?

Because I'm entitled to my own beliefs and dont answer to the ever tedious mantra of one must support the woman

I dont support Amber because she lied about abuse. For all that Johnny js, I do t believe he lied. So you can keep all your implications about me favouring men or whatever else you use to try and fight Amber's corner because shes a woman, but ultimately, i dont favour liars.

She does deserve what's coming to her. Her outburst tbe other day about it being oh so unfair made it crystal clear shed have been more than happy should Johnny be taking the criticism.

People who lie about abuse do not deserve sympathy.

However, as abhorrent as they are, Amber brought this potential consequence on her child by doing this in the first place

man alive

woman is responsible for the actions of some violent lunatic nutjobs, it's her fault if they harm her child because some words she said made them angry.

can you actually fucking hear yourself?

Hes responding to her claims which she is more than entitled to do.

Interesting amber chose to write about him in an article instead of go to a criminal court. Wonder why.

Not what I said.

Death threats are obviously never Ok.

But if you have a child and are in tbe media, why put them at risk?

I'd have said the same was it Johnny, btw
Absolutely hee haw to do with her being a woman. Or do we not care about his kids, and the impact of Amber's behaviour on them right now?

dont answer to the ever tedious mantra of one must support the woman

I'm not asking you to support 'the woman'. I'm simply asking you to question why you instinctively leap to the defence of 'the man'

and why you feel 'the woman' would be responsible for the actions of people who decided to harm her child, even though she had done absolutely nothing to them

Didnt say it was okay.

I've said repeatedly they are both as toxic and abusive and bad as each other.

But whatever words he said does not excuse her lying.

If Amber stuck to the truth, she would have had far more chance.

Not what I said.

it is precisely what you said:

Amber brought this potential consequence on her child by doing this in the first place

maybe you should more carefully consider what point you're trying to make?

In leaping to the defence of the one that's not lying.

She isnt. But you have a job to protect your children. I gave the example earlier of Peter Andre who repeatedly refused to speak out publicly for the reasons of their divorce. I appreciate she wasnt pregnant st the time but why on earth would she want to do this on national TV, the way she has, when she has a child? (Also, when he does, I understand he brought tbe case but he was shoved into a cornrer).

I never said tbe death threats were Ok.

Maybe you shouldnt be so pedantic because you dont actually have a point to make , so its much easier to play word games.

Amber started this chain of events in tbe first place. You cannot behave however you like and not expect in this day and age. People in the public eye get death threats on their families and children every day -I cant imagine Johnny's children have emerged unscathed either. So surely, as a responsible mother, you dont play your life out in national TV? The threats aside, whT kind of childhood will this child have with all of this on record forever? Its ghoulish.

I ask again, why didnt Amber go to the criminal court?

I'm leaping to the defence of the one that's not lying

I suspect we've had this conversation before, so I don't think we're going to get a conclusion which satisfies you

however, Jonny Depp is a liar. He sued the Sun for libel for saying he was a domestic abuser. The high court found that on the balance of probability, he is, in fact, a domestic abuser. Therefore he lied when he said he wasn't.

I haven't really been following this, but I should imagine they're both liars. They both seem incredibly screwed up.

why does a woman lying upset you more than a man lying?

Maybe you shouldnt be so pedantic because you dont actually have a point to make , so its much easier to play word games.

I can assure you that I do have a point to make, and at the risk of repeating myself, it is this: you are holding a woman responsible for the unpredictable and violent behaviour of people to whom she has done absolutely nothing. Those people have threatened to harm her child, and for all we know may intend to follow through on that, and your reaction is to say she has brought it on herself.

What is your starting point, that that is the place you get to?

Amber started this chain of events in the first place

did she? again, I haven't been following, but is there definitive proof that her actions were the first that caused the relationship to go sour?

why is it all her fault for you?

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg why are you commenting on the nuances of a case you havent followed?

Its nothing to do with their sex.

Btw, which you wont know because you habent been following, the UK court referred only to his drinking and his temper. Johnny hasnt denied this. He is denying ever physically or sexually assaulting her. The sexual claims were heard in private and dismissed, and it's now escalated to a rape with a broken bottle which is the first time that allegation has been made public.

Amber has been proved more than once to have been lying about a punch. Why, as someone so keen to defend women, ade you Ok with that?

Also, if balance of probability was sufficient we might as well do away with criminal courts.

Which, incidentally, Amber has never taken any ot these claims to. Cant think why.

"Amber started this chain of events in tbe first place. You cannot behave however you like and not expect in this day and age. People in the public eye get death threats on their families and children every day -I cant imagine Johnny's children have emerged unscathed either. So surely, as a responsible mother, you dont play your life out in national TV? The threats aside, whT kind of childhood will this child have with all of this on record forever? Its ghoulish.
I ask again, why didnt Amber go to the criminal court?"

Amber only 'started' these chain of events by publishing an article in a newspaper. The court cases have been brought by Johnny. Amber didn't want to take this to court. It was Johnny who dragged her there. The judge decided to televise the trial. Amber did not want it broadcast but was overruled.

There seems to be a contradiction. As a responsible mother, Amber shouldn't have played her life out on national TV but you also want her to 'go to the criminal court'. The criminal court which is open to the public. The criminal court which would also have been televised.

why are you commenting on the nuances of a case you havent followed?

I’m not commenting on the case. I’m commenting on the attitudes of people following the case. The case itself sounds sad and boring.

the reasons people think women deserve everything they get are more interesting