Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 7

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Did I get this right.... did MS just say that she doesn't believe calling a lesbian "transphobic" for not accepting peen is coercive?

I can't decide if MS is very dim or disingenuous.

Yes, Gabscika

Thank you for the new thread! I'm only keeping up via this thread but it sounds a bit watching through my fingers reading the comments here!

That is what she said. This all Seems to turn on what coercion means and so I think she's doubling down on that or otherwise the finding against Allison falls away.

Definitely the latter, i'd say dworky.

Well, she's a QC, so...

MS 'To call someone something they are not is unacceptable'

If she said this surely she should understand the whole fucking point of this!

All this feigned ignorance from MS is wearing thin.

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles

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Of course it's coercive though. When the repercussions of being called transphobic are things like that news article that came out yesterday, a girl being hounded out of her school and having everyone turn on you. Of course it's coercive.

We're now going clause by clause through the explanation published by Planned Parenthood about Morgan Page's workshop.

Of course it is!

I don't think she knows what queer trans women are.

See page 292 of the non-downloadable bundle. (That's the page number at the bottom of the page.)

Does she know what MAAB means? I think BC should ask that.

Epic stare of disbelief from MR Cooper there! 😂

Fucking AH's microphone again.

AH and his flipping microphone

Agree but dim to think she'll continue to get away with it.

Of course it is! [coercive]

I think at the very least it's more than a microaggression. Probably more than a milliaggression.

And god knows how sensitive some people are towards that. Maybe lesbians don't get to be so sensitive.

This is like a proper internet bun fight, isn't it?

I'm reading this through my fingers, too.

What an absolute shit show. Respected QCs defending the indefensible, and trying to make sense of the unintelligible.

This is where the ideology leads you. Down the fucking rabbit hole.

I don't think she knows what queer trans women are.

She's got no excuse for this now, it's been made clear to her and she countered that "this isn't something your client believes though?" As if reading the definition in an article would mean that Allison accepted that males can be lesbians, which of course she doesn't.

Does MS fully believe that a seminar on overcoming the cotton ceiling is in any way of benefit for women? Does she actually believe males coming up with ways to convince females to have sex with them is 'not coercive'?

What the fuck does she think this seminar was?