Times: Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’

[ResisterRex]

This seems to be a clear failure on the part of all adults involved, if what's reported here is accurate:

Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/50aac934-d539-11ec-8585-951ab3afb4d2?shareToken=d55c6d8482ff6dde48eb9c33de693f54

Oh well we know what school it is now! Lets go to great lengths to keep everything confidential, and then one of the parents gives the game away.

‘Confronted in conversation’. Do you think that’s code for ‘encircled by a shouting pack of girls and screamed at until she broke down in tears’?

Not at all. It is for identifying children at risk from being groomed in to any kind of extremism. The training I had on it had a case study on far-right extremism.

Yes. I sat through the whole second half of my prevent training thinking ' this could apply to gender ideology and I could construct an entirely similar case study relating to that'. And then thinking, as Lang used to say, we've created a massive great safeguarding loophole by disallowing any safeguarding concerns to be raised about trans issues even when it could be trans children that are negatively effected. It's appalling.

"...she was confronted in conversation." Interesting formulation, the juxtaposition of confronted and conversation. But even in attempted denial, the language is telling: confronted.
Well, that says a lot, confirming she was confronted. Yet there is no anxiety about confronted, as there is about spitting: those girls would never spit. But confronting is deemed to be right and proper. Tell me: Why would she be confronted?

It's easy to be spat on, albeit unintentionally, when someone is frenziedly shouting in your face.

LOJ not having a great time of late.

This cartoon has been about for a while now, but no-one can identify the artist. I've been seeing it all over Twitter today.

If I had £1 for every parent who tried to correct me about incidents that happened in school when they weren't there I'd be a very wealthy woman.
And would have retired from teaching by the age of 35

Well that's cleared up which school, isn't it? Their sixth form centre is in its own building and doesn't always have a staff member in it so quite possible for all sorts to happen without supervision.

It is possible that Lover of Dogs isn’t who she claims to be and that her daughter is completely made up.

True. But the information that can be identified as a result is definitely the correct school. It's alarming to me that this incident can be so easily identified just from one weirdo idiot posting about it and leaving identifying information available to those that are curious enough to follow the trails.

I hope there are screenshots and archives of that tweet…

And that RMW has it in mind to issue an apology as soon as practical should RMW learn that there are grounds for the story (there already are). It would be gracious of RMW to publicly acknowledge the error even if the reflection on what drove RMW to consider it a fantasy remains private.

ScreamingMeMe

Some people (especially men) seem to get the sports issue, but hand-wave away the rest of it. It's odd.

I was speaking to a friend a week or two back, and he seemed to get the "sex with him" issue. ie TWAW apart from in his bed. He has a friend who has apparently always been trans, brought up as a girl, is a woman in every single way and woman need to budge up, be nice and not make a fuss. But obviously he - as a straight man - would never sleep with "her" because "she" is not the right kind of woman for a straight male.

I find it hard not to find his viewpoint absolute incredible in how hypocritical and despicable it is.

The sport is a biggie, but I get them impression than many people (especially men) get the "I don't engage in sex outside of my sexual orientation" part of this. A lot of straight men seem to have a big problem with gay sex full stop... but pretty much every straight man has a problem with gay sex for them! (and obviously straight men who don't have a problem with gay sex are bi not straight.)

"Fantasy" is perhaps not the best choice of term to describe a schoolgirl's account of an incident.

The only people who can know if this happened are the sources. It seems that TT and The Times have the sources.

Maybe - even if you're an adult who's first instinct is to call a child, a liar - your time would be better spent saying something like:

"Me/my organisation do advocate for X things. But we are peaceful and we want respectful debate. I/we think adults should lead by example and if this report is correct then I/we don't think that the adults did right by the students"

Something like that might be a better approach.

I didn't expect this would be a Catholic school. Gosh.

Please don't name the school.

The story from the year 12 girls is very different to the one you have described.

And happened in a different month. So it's possibly a different school, and two schools have at least one girl driven to tears by mob mentality.

@GCRich - can't remember who said it (menopausal brain) but some straight TRA definitely said they considered that TWAW except for relationship purposes.

Awful. TRA's are like cult leaders. No one is off limits even Mums net if you read reviews of Grace Laverys heinous book. Depictions and terminology are foul. Poor kid kicked out of school! Owen Jones now trying to track down the 60 girls for their side of the story. TRAs have no morality.

I've no idea if it is, or it isn't. Or if it's a Catholic school or Roman Catholic school.

If the latter, being taught a belief in transubstantiation, and that asking for evidence rather than relying upon faith is a path to mortal sin, prepares you for a lot of absurdities.

Here you go.

It’s so unreasonable for people to declare things like this story is ‘all made up’ or ‘fantasy’: how is it possible anyone would think anything other than that this story is entirely possible and likely, given what they insist we (as adults) all say and believe, or else ‘face the consequences’? This is exactly where their aggressive dogmatism has led us. As some of the usual suspects might say, ‘it tracks’.

Robin "except for relationship purposes" Green.

Oh thank you both. I have no idea who he is and he appears to have deleted his Twitter.

Honestly - why not just say 'I consider transwomen as women except when it impacts me personally'.

I'm mystified. I haven't seen anything that gives any clue as to what the school is! (The racist dog lover doesn't say much apart from the story as reported being wrong.) I obviously don't want anyone to name the school on here but I'm puzzled as to how they worked it out.

I'm not going to name the school, obviously, but it didn't take more than a cursory search of the Twitter feed of the person who claims to have a daughter at the school and is mentioned above. Intriguing to think there may be more than one school that fits the bill.