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Times: Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’

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ResisterRex · 17/05/2022 05:37

This seems to be a clear failure on the part of all adults involved, if what's reported here is accurate:

Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/50aac934-d539-11ec-8585-951ab3afb4d2?shareToken=d55c6d8482ff6dde48eb9c33de693f54

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Igneococcus · 21/05/2022 07:07

New article in the Times today, front page of the website edition, share tokens not working for me at the moment:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-row-schoolgirl-treated-like-heretic-7v50k9hqz

rogdmum · 21/05/2022 07:34

Share tokens aren’t working for me either, but the article can be found in the usual spot.

I see the Baroness who gave the talk has ignored multiple requests for comment which is disappointing as her perspective on the event would have been interesting and she could have remained unnamed.

Quote from the pupil:

”This, of course, has led to a mischaracterisation of me, which has caught the attention of activists who believe I was expressing ingrained prejudice in my measured questioning of the baroness, which involved asking about how she might achieve cross-partisan consensus with those whose views she had already denounced as morally incompatible.”

I hope all of this does blow over soon for her (she expresses this wish in the article) but that some good does come out of her speaking about it.

ResisterRex · 21/05/2022 07:45

Share tokens not working for me either. I agree with @rogdmum that the Baroness in question could speak to the press and in fact I think she would have to remain anonymous as naming her would most likely help trace the school.

You'd think she'd want to take the opportunity though, to distance herself from the events and call for polite discourse.

This reminds me of an exchange we heard in Allison's tribunal:

  • did you ever consider condemning the abuse AB was getting?
  • no
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FannyCann · 21/05/2022 07:46

The DM has the teachers story. I'm guessing, as he has taught at the school for 30 years, his pension is secure and he is speaking out.
Mermaids and Stonewall have no business in schools.

6th form girl bullied out of school for saying biological sex is real
mol.im/a/10838801

FannyCann · 21/05/2022 07:48

I think The Times must have disabled share tokens for this article? Doesn't look as if this works either.

Trans row schoolgirl in the eye of a storm.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-row-schoolgirl-treated-like-heretic-7v50k9hqzz_

FannyCann · 21/05/2022 07:58

I'm surprised parents aren't pushing back at the school over this. It's a private girls school - why are they paying for their girls to be Stonewalled like this.

Pthagonal · 21/05/2022 08:00

Here's the archive version of the full story:

archive.ph/rDK5R

WandaWomblesaurus · 21/05/2022 08:08

Trans row schoolgirl ‘treated like heretic’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-row-schoolgirl-treated-like-heretic-7v50k9hqz

This should work

KimThomas · 21/05/2022 09:31

FannyCann · 21/05/2022 07:46

The DM has the teachers story. I'm guessing, as he has taught at the school for 30 years, his pension is secure and he is speaking out.
Mermaids and Stonewall have no business in schools.

6th form girl bullied out of school for saying biological sex is real
mol.im/a/10838801

This is all taken from the accounts on the Transgender Trend website and edited by the Mail - it’s not a new piece.

Cailin66 · 21/05/2022 10:00

How many baronesses are there, how many are “be kind” how many put in their diary their engagements, at secondary private schools. It seems also to be an all girls school. In the last month or so. Can’t be too difficult to figure it out.

Glad the girl is getting public support. No wonder the school won’t comment as they should be ashamed of their treatment of her.

Datun · 21/05/2022 10:01

I have absolutely no doubt there are many pupils and teachers who disagree with the ideology but are terrified to say so. Look what happens when you do.

I wonder if it would be possible for some kind of anonymous poll to be taken. I'm not quite sure how you would instigate it, but finding out that you have a lot more people than you thought completely agree that the ideology doesn't make any sense would start a discussion.

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/05/2022 10:03

The only anonymous poll at the moment is the ballot box.

OldCrone · 21/05/2022 10:09

How many baronesses are there, how many are “be kind” how many put in their diary their engagements, at secondary private schools. It seems also to be an all girls school. In the last month or so.

It was sometime last year. The girl left the school in December.

The Baroness should put the record straight. Did she really lie to the girls that trans people in this country don't have basic human rights? She should either apologise for lying to these children or ask the Times to apologise for misquoting what she said if she didn't say that.

Why hasn't she come forward to clear up what was actually said?

Cailin66 · 21/05/2022 10:17

The Daily Mail article is pretty sad. That girl was failed by everyone. All those years in the school, bullied out, with no acknowledgment of her as a human being. No girl standing up for her. All the teachers, management going along with her leaving quietly because they are such cowards they would not speak up for her. Only one man did, the music teacher. Is there nobody there now that would organise an apology, an acknowledgment that the girl had done no wrong, that instead the mob was allowed to rule, the mob forced the school into submission and they were all wrong. All those years in school, being taught right from wrong, to learn that mob rule is a thing, and that it will win.

Clymene · 21/05/2022 10:21

Our friendly neighbourhood barrister still hasn't taken down the tweets saying this is all a big lie

Times: Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’
Times: Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’
Cailin66 · 21/05/2022 10:27

If Robin says The Times is notorious for being inaccurate what newspaper does he consider reliable I wonder.

TheBiologyStupid · 21/05/2022 11:46

Clymene · 21/05/2022 10:21

Our friendly neighbourhood barrister still hasn't taken down the tweets saying this is all a big lie

Tick tick tick indeed!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/05/2022 12:25

Where has it "turned out" to be a fantasy then? Owen Jones disbelieving it doesn't have any bearing on its truth or falsehood. Is Robin privy to some evidence the rest of us haven't been made aware of?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/05/2022 12:29

And the Times hasn't taken it down.

Clymene · 21/05/2022 12:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/05/2022 12:29

And the Times hasn't taken it down.

I think they briefly took it down to add in the bit about JKR retweeting but then put it back up. I'm guessing some people are hoping that their followers won't bother to check further. Generally people trust legal professionals not to perpetuate untruths.

Datun · 21/05/2022 12:42

I mean, it's not as if Robin isn't actually attending a tribunal where a woman is suing her own company for freezing her out and treating her badly because of her views!

Kathleen Stock, Maya Forstater, Raquel Rosario Sanchez, the list is endless.

Acting like it's not happening is just weird.

Humbold · 21/05/2022 13:25

This is all horrendous. I’m sorry there are schoolchildren caught up in this. I feel for the victim, I feel for some of the girls who rounded on her. Perhaps some of them probably didn’t realise how intimidating it must have felt for the girl - perhaps they thought they were being ‘passionate’. Perhaps they thought that her lack of belief in their own particular world view that being either sex is something you ‘feel’ your way into, was ‘cruel’ or ‘bigoted’ rather than a different belief system. Perhaps some had been bolstered into a more aggressive display of anger against her by the type of ‘activist’ that feels justified in donning balaclavas and physically intimidating and sometimes attacking women at pro-women protests. Or the lovely anime avatars pointing guns or brandishing pink and blue baseball bats. Perhaps their school had created an environment that didn’t encourage independent thought or had outsourced certain aspects of their teaching to organisations that hadn’t been thoroughly scrutinised.

I hate the way OJ has made this all about himself though. His own moral crusade. He’s got a video up about how he will not be hounded out of his job, how he will always stand up for trans rights etc… He thinks that anyone who dares not share his belief that trans rights do not have any potential negative affect on certain rights and protections for women, are exactly the same type of bigoted, violent, nasty people who beat him up on his birthday.

If this had been a trans child being harassed, bullied, isolated, intimidated for stating their own belief - by 60 children would he have sought so assiduously to conduct his own investigation? Would he come back to his Twitter and hold his hands up if his ‘investigations’ turn out to verify the story?

i think this young woman is brave and principled and I hope she is able to get through her A-levels and attend a university and go on to have a good career and life. She has the makings of an amazing person and I hope that once the immediate dreadfulness of this current situation passes, she will find the time to feel incredibly proud of herself. And I hope she gets contacted by some of the girls and they apologise to her (and not just to get themselves out of a hole). And I hope the senior leadership team at the school examine their consciences and ask themselves whether they are creating a climate in their school where their young women can have open, honest and respectful debates.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/05/2022 13:30

hate the way OJ has made this all about himself though. His own moral crusade. He’s got a video up about how he will not be hounded out of his job, how he will always stand up for trans rights etc…

Me too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/05/2022 13:31

I think they briefly took it down to add in the bit about JKR retweeting but then put it back up.

Ah thanks Clymene.

Ellie56 · 21/05/2022 13:32

What a bloody awful school. And parents are actually paying for this?

If I had a daughter there I'd be removing her sharpish.

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