Times: Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’

[ResisterRex]

This seems to be a clear failure on the part of all adults involved, if what's reported here is accurate:

Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/50aac934-d539-11ec-8585-951ab3afb4d2?shareToken=d55c6d8482ff6dde48eb9c33de693f54

What an absolute disgrace, that poor girl

What a courageous young woman. This is the sort of act that should be discussed in interviews and yet I feel it would plausibly have to be concealed in order for her not to be rejected as an implicit threat to the harmony of good relationships.

For asking a very sensible question and in a wholly respectful way.

Not useful to identify the school, however vaguely. The girl concerned has suffered enough and, if the usual suspects get hold of a name, it could seriously impact her future

Yes. The school also have a legal duty to present both sides of a political issue. Schools not doing their job is a huge part of the problem here. Christians aren’t allowed to hound Muslims round the playground, you can’t have a pro-Conservative policy lobbyist in unless you also give space to the other political parties, and schools aren’t allowed to present fanatical gender ideology as fact and hound out of the building any child who questions it. And yet they do.

It’s worth remembering that not so long ago our ancestors actually did burn women at the stake and impale people of different religions - humans can be awful and the education system is supposed to be one of the things that stops us reverting to that.

Anyway the (much better) transgendertrend article about the same incident is here:

www.transgendertrend.com/transgender-ideology-in-schools/

The trouble is that fanatics can’t see the free speech or reasonable debate argument. Others are just wrong , verging on hateful . And then when you combine trendiness and the mob….

I think these kids should be shown footage of the French lining the streets cheering the Germans as they rolled into Paris. Rather than the modern narrative that everyone was in the Resistance, this shows what happens when a few powerful voices prevail and the masses go along with it.

Yes, I saw this this morning. I can understand not naming the school at this point (presumably this would risk a bunch of nutters finding out who the girl is and she could do without that just before her exams). I’ll be surprised if the parents don’t bring a case against the school after her A levels.

My first thought was that it would be a school in London (was trying to work out which it could be) but it’s quite possible for it to be in the Home Counties - it isn’t that far for a member of the HoL to travel to.

'Religious extremism' nails it. That sixth form need taking to a version of The Crucible, which is getting to be more and more topical, and then to have it explained to them in small words. But those are kids are thinking -and behaving as they have been trained to do, by adults who should have either known better or not been allowed to try to evangelise and convert children for their own purposes.

I have had The Crucible argument with dn. Her response is that this is different because they are right . Whaddayado?

Hitler Youth knew they were right.
Butler Youth know they are right.

Both suborned by adults to be blind to the reality that their ideologies inherently involve the oppression of others.

It's worryingly easy to identify the school. Took me five minutes.

I'm sure no one will but please don't identify the school. The Times hasn't and nor has TTrend.

It was a private school, right? If I was paying a fortune to have my child's capacity for critical thinking destroyed, I'd be livid.

It's like Red Guard / Cultural Revolution behaviour.

Exactly what I was thinking. It's bullying in the name of ideology. I bet there were ringleaders, and I hope they can be identified and punished.

I suspect Barker more than Hunt to be honest. Hunt has been very quiet on trans related issues since joining the HoL which suggests to me that the whole thing was a massive grift

I agree. One of the evangelical ones like Barker.

Agreed ResisterRex There are good reasons to protect the girl at the centre of this while the trans extremists appear to be running amok. Having seen the readiness with which they mask up and threaten women speaking, she needs protection.

Point out that the witch finders thought that they were right too. The slave owners of the deep south in the US, Pol Pot's followers - they were all absolutely convinced they were right and so justified in what they were doing.

Worth maybe explaining about the Nuremberg trials and the huge efforts gone to by the allies to treat war crimes and war criminals absolutely by the book, with defense lawyers, with every single care to do it objectively as would be done for any allied citizen, because there had to be a commitment to treating every person in an ethical way regardless of who they were, what they believed, what they had done, whether or not you were on their side or agreed with them. That's the contract that protects everyone equally. Because once you get into 'it's ok to treat THAT person like that because they're wrong and not in my gang' you're back into the dark ages, and all you ever have is the hope that you manage to stay in the currently fashionable group.

Hmm. Remember Hunt has presided over the whole "deals done in secret so that nobody hears about them" / Denton's playbook era.

Gosh, no! Sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression I was going to identify it; just that it was far less anonymised and safe than it should be.

This is awful.

"Staff were initially supportive but, after complaints from other sixth-formers, ended up apologising for not maintaining a “safe space” in the sixth form."

This "safe space" idea has to be rejected hard. There was nothing "safe" about that space for the poor girl.

I didn't mean to direct my post at anyone (!). Just worried in case the thread got undermined by monitors etc.

This has struck a chord with the Times readership - the comments are well worth reading.

Hmm. Remember Hunt has presided over the whole "deals done in secret so that nobody hears about them"

When she was head of SW, yes. I think she's in it for herself, not the cause. Unlike some of the TRA evangelist peers.

You're right MrsO, the comments are already at 585, and the top one has 1028 recommendations

In marketing statistics (and when social class was still included) the Times had the highest number of ABC1 25–44 readers and the largest numbers of readers in London, and probably still does.

Isn't that the demographic that often sends its children to private schools? In commercial terms, never mind justice and fairness, I'd be having a bit of a think as a manager/governor in that sector.