Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 6

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Continues tomorrow at 10am.

9.30 was suggested by EJ to help out MS, AH and BC fine, unsurprisingly IO & RW had trouble with that time.

Time for juice and biccies!

"As I said when we got her advice, this chimes with our collective gut instinct"

Doesn't this effectively confirm they had a conclusion in mind, based on 'gut instinct' while being selective about relevant information?

He is so very impressive!

I'm amazed by the amount of information he's having to process in this tribunal. The only witness statement I've managed to download so far is RM's yesterday. It ran to 150 odd pages!

The whole 'I may have borrowed some of her turns of phrase, but only because it was expressed really well' came off poorly. It was her report, her responsibility to make sure it was accurate and appropriate. I think it's likely she didn't want to produce the report (not billable and Allison was a friend at least at one point), and as a result she handed off a lot of the work on to other people (DDM investigated Twitter, Harrison's sexy suggestions are incorporated wholesale, SH, JK and MHL chipping in by email.)

For a self-described pedant, she seems to have spent her 'hours and hours and hours' concentrating on the small stuff and has completely missed the bigger picture.

But he has his support wren.

I know I'm joining late - I've been lurking and reading your comments. I'm just shocked that a witness of such calibre is allowed to be so vague.

TT have corrected their tweet re attempted intimidation. It was a panel member targeted, not a witness.

twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1526588454724849665?cxt=HHwWgsCyoZCHxK8qAAAA

Where do you find all the documents?

To some extent I get MS’a anger. It looks like dealing with this was (massively) dumped on female members of Chambers and there was no money in it, and AB is (rightly in my view) furious and intransigent.

But these are grave matters. I’m not sure how anyone could feel they had come to legitimate conclusions without letting AB have her say, or without looking at the threats against her, or without looking at the substance of what she was saying.

I need to know if being this calm and unflappable is part of BC's constitution or if it's something that can be acquired.

I hugely admire him for ignoring the catnip that is strewn in front of him and shrugging off the unhelpful/complaining responses, moving ahead, focused on his endpoint while also being hyper-aware of the content of the responses, and weaving them into his overall structure in a way that keeps the thread of the argument at the forefront.

Another one impressed by BC QC. Calm, authoritative and whip smart.

Yes BC is impressive, he is competently herding (angry) cats with laser like focus.

Thanks to all for their observations today. I was only able to dip in briefly so very grateful for the updates and insights. If anyone else is now catching up on the tweets they are here:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1526481684492963840.html

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1526539709295513601.html

I already picked up one tip from the Maya hearing - when witnesses start stropping, he just moves on to the next point. He stays calm, they look like tits.

I am going to endeavour to Be More Ben.

'Support wren'?

It’s unpaid work I assume so one for the uterus havens.

One study found that favourable parole rulings dropped gradually from ~65% to nearly zero within each decision session and returned abruptly to ~65% after a break. The moral of that study was you better hope your case is heard right after breakfast or right after lunch and not just before lunch or dinner….

A PP identified a wren singing in BC's garden. In keeping with other support animals featuring, it was deemed a support wren.

Oh wow that's interesting and worrying.

Lougle
Where do you find all the documents?

You'll find links to them in the chat section when you log in.

"QC Ben, QC Ben. QC Ben and his support wren"

To be sung to the tune of Postman Pat!

I also have "QC Cooper ooh what a trooper" Flowing through my brain, no tune attached to that though!!

My relative told me as a defendant you should always hope your case starts & finishes at the beginnning of the week, because potential jurors start their service on a Monday, all fresh-faced & keen to listen & do the right thing. By the end of their service they've been mucked about/ bored to tears/ left sitting around & they've had enough & they'll send anybody down.

a narcissism thing, a unreasoning desire to punish the person who triggers the cognitive dissonance

reminds me of my exBiL who wanted to absolutely annihilate my SiL for seeking a divorce after finding out about his affair…

It’s the pretence or arrogance (?) that we are purely rational and intellectual, without emotional or physical motives that problems crop up… like perhaps some barristers?