This (prison rape of female by transgender prisoner) never happens ...

[Mumsnut]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10755219/Transgender-Rikers-inmate-incarcerated-assault-housed-womens-wing-RAPES-female-inmate.html

Of course rape happens. It has always happened in women’s prisons even before transgender prisoners were put in there. Transgender individuals who are biologically male should be in a separate wing/ward, they shouldn’t mix with female prisoners. But the idea that womens prisons used to be rape free is incorrect. Of course it’s not “legally” rape when it’s female on female rape, but given the objects used and the damage caused can exceed that of a penis, it is a type of rape imho.

@Discovereads What a heartless response.

This particular rape was 100% preventable and should never have happened.

I had to delete what I thought about Discovereds response before I got a strike.

Well if you’re in to redefining words @Discovereads at a guess you’d view this as just one of those things that happen.

@Worrysaboutalot
All prison rape is 100% preventable. My point is that it is very common and yet everyones looked the other way until it’s a transgender person being the perpetrator.

Is that meant to be a gotcha from discover? As in 'well it not always 'legally' rape, it actually does happen even without a penis so meh?'
Wtf!!

Oh, look, it's the 'women do it too' isn't it. Why do we even bother separating by sex, is it to keep those nasty bitches away from poor menz then, is it? Or maybe you should fucking look at the stats if sex offending by sex before you post your disgusting whataboutery here

Ah right so they're being treated harsher because they have a penis? 🤨 how unfair.

Whilst I wouldn't want to minimise sexual assault - it is ONLY a penis that can be used to rape. So quit with the 'it happens anyway and if it's a male it's no different so fine to have TW in female prisons.'

I noticed how the article goes out of its way to avoid using any pronouns for Blount - presumably because the Independent Press Standards Organisation's code of conduct requires the pronouns preferred by each individual to be used. Similarly, it avoids referring to Blount as a woman (or as a man) or as a trans woman - simply referring to the individual concerned as a transgender prisoner housed in the women's jail, which in theory could mean a transman, but we know it doesn't (although it isn't the use of the word 'rape' that grants us this knowledge, since that word is differently defined in different jurisdictions).

@MichelleScarn
No, not “meh” but rather it’s an epidemic of sexual violence against women that’s been ignored for decades.

A ridiculous response.

Who cares if this male rapist is transgender or not, the crime happened because a male rapist was locked up with women.

Then he commits a completely foreseeable and therefore preventable rape on a woman prisoner.

This is why prisons should be single sex spaces, no exceptions.

@LK1972
You haven’t looked at the stats for prison rape of women then have you? Or have any idea as to the prevalence of inmate on inmate violence.

@titchy
So quit with the 'it happens anyway and if it's a male it's no different so fine to have TW in female prisons.'

Try actually reading my post. I said transgender prisoners should not mix with female prisoners but be kept in a separate wing or block.

I would hazard more women have been raped in women’s prisons by women than by transgender women.

I’m comfortable as a hetero woman, why are soma you you not? Would love to see the hundreds of reports supporting male to female transgender rapes. Anywhere.

Not at all. I’m saying the rape of female prisoners has been ignored despite being at epidemic proportions and there is only now a bit of attention being paid to it because one transgender prisoner raped a fellow prisoner. Why now? Why was there no attention paid to it before? And I’m not talking about just female inmate on female inmate sexual violence but also the rapes of female inmates done by prison guards especially the male ones. It’s all been ignored and if you think building separate prisons for transgender inmates will stop women being raped in prison, you’d be wrong. It’s a much bigger issue.

@Discovereads I understand the point you are making and I think it's an important and relevant one. I also agree that transgender prisoners on a separate ward would be a good idea.

And for those of you stating sexual assault of prisoners isn't rape unless it involves a penis- that is a legal definition not a moral one. I'm not sure the women who are suffering sexual assault would want other women to be minimising their experience because the object used wasn't a penis.

Do we really want to labour the point that prisoners on male wards are being raped but women are 'only' being assaulted?

Why does it always have to be a zero sum game? 'Because it happens anyway' is not a reason to ignore it. Perhaps shining a light on this issue will present a chance to also tackle the wider problems you have highlighted.
Why so quick to jump on the posters here?

When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.

‘Transgender individuals who are biologically male should be in a separate wing/ward, they shouldn’t mix with female prisoners.’

Why not?

(I know why not, but why do you think not?)

I’m saying the rape of female prisoners has been ignored despite being at epidemic proportions and there is only now a bit of attention being paid to it because one transgender prisoner raped a fellow prisoner.

Where are you getting this statistic about rape epidemic in prison?

‘And for those of you stating sexual assault of prisoners isn't rape unless it involves a penis- that is a legal definition not a moral one. I'm not sure the women who are suffering sexual assault would want other women to be minimising their experience because the object used wasn't a penis.’

The fact is that men are many, many times more likely to assault women than women are to assault each other, and they are - in general - more physically able to overpower women than the average woman would be. It’s a statistics thing, not a moral distinction between rape with a penis and sexual assault.

I doubt the individual women who are assaulted care about the statistics.

A point which has been made when it's been pointed out that statistically speaking, women prisoners are statistically very unlikely to be raped by a transgender person.

To protect them from accusations of rape?