School allowing boy to change in girls changing room secondary school

[Saffy6]

Hi my teenage daughter has told me there is a boy who identifies as a girl changing with the girls in their communal changing room. I have emailed the school who have confirmed this and stated that cases are dealt with individually but in most cases “trans students would have access to the changing room or toilet that corresponds to their gender identity. This approach is supported by the equality act 2010” None of the parents have been informed. Some of the girls are uncomfortable but do not feel they can say anything as they are afraid of being accused of transphobia.

My other daughter in year 9 has 3 girls in her class now identifying as boys (changed name and pronouns). Surely if they want to change in the boys changing rooms they will be allowed to too?

I’ve contacted safe schools alliance and I intend to challenge this policy. My question is, is this the norm? What is your schools policy on transgender kids and changing rooms and has anyone been in a similar position where you challenged this policy and what was the outcome?

CRA.

Child.

This child is 12.

He's not a man. Incidentally, he might be a female again by 13.

Will he be allowed back in your special club then?

Now come on that's a bit silly. We have single sex changing rooms in schools (long may that last) so there won't be any stats on that will there. Schools are not silly, they know how important it is to protect and safeguard children.

Religious belief is protected under the Equality Act, as is sex. Gender re-assignment is protected but obvs children can't re-assign. In any event they are re-assigning their gender not sex, we are talking about single sex spaces. Additionally the recent clarification from the EHRC confirms the importance and legal status of single sex spaces.

I really don't understand you on this. A child who says they want to change their gender and isn't comfortable changing in accordance with their sex will be offered an alternative. They just need to understand it is single sex spaces not gender.

Feminism is about equality of opportunity by the way, not ensuring the quality of changing rooms is equal by making them open to all.

Not sure how a policy which allows males to change with females is going to provide equality of access to sports either tbh.

If you read very carefully, instead of jumping on with excitement at the prospect of shutting down men, I said earlier I don't agree with boys being in girls spaces. I don't agree with men being in womens prisons.

You've jumped in on a discussion with your sexist ways and thought you were clever. You're not.

Its all questions and no points

According to OP and many others, schools are silly, since they require them all to march on in and tell them to do what they want.

I know they will be offered an alternative. I never said otherwise.

Are you referring to me? I've made many points.

Please quote me where I said this.

About 40 mins ago when I suggested another changing room or loo:

In the loo! oh how lovely. let's alienate them further.

Don't think I said any of that.

I asked you to prove where a boy being in a girls changing room in PE statistically is a danger.

Remember bunbury

That wasnt othering.

That was me suggesting that that wasn't the solution. Imagine having an opinion!

I have said numerous times I don't agree with mixed changing rooms.

About 40 mins ago when I suggested another changing room or loo:

In the loo! oh how lovely. let's alienate them further.

Yes, exactly.

Quite

Alienating is the same as othering, please drop the disingenuous act.

There's a difference between agreeing with a third space and the toilet.

Thanks for the input.

If OP's child was a son, would you be here? no

Oh yes. Apologies Germaine

Thanks for the input.

You're welcome

Putting someone in a toilet is alienating.

I never disagreed with a third space.

You're the disingenuous one.

It's good to know you just hate men.

and 12 year old boys are copping for it. Sad, really.

Have you responded to OPs post?

With suggestions or helpful info?

thought not

Just hopped on in here to fight the battle against any being remotely positive against men.

Or in this case, a 12 year old boy.

Were you in agreement with him being splashed across the paper through no fault of his own? that would mean reading the thread, though.

It's just so... desperate. Right, sorry Bunbury I'm sitting on my hands now.

I got my period when i was ten, swiftly followed by huge boobs, hairy pits, the works. I was a very young ten when this happened, very happy to be and stay a kid. There were at least 2 other girls in the same boat as me.

I hated getting changed with girls, i would have refused PE altogether had any boys been in there, regardless of their identity.

Third spaces are the solution here. Just like they are the solution for all scenarios where womens rights and trans rights clash. Not perfect, but everyone gets an appropriate space to change in.

Except this does not align with gender ideology, which requires women and girls to swallow their discomfort to validate the identity of males. So TRAs will always dismiss the obvious solution.

I think bunbury would admire your self control 😀

For anyone who thinks that boundaries, the right to say no and single sex changing rooms are "outdated". A reminder of what happens to too many girls in schools:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3364183-To-think-the-DfE-doesnt-care-that-girls-are-being-raped-in-schools

www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools-and-colleges/review-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools-and-colleges

Now off to share some recipes a la Madame Bunbury.

I see. So you accept the following propositions and do not require proof of them:

-males are more dangerous than females
-male on female sexual assaults occur frequently in schools

but you cannot extrapolate from the above to this:

-males in female changing rooms in schools are a safeguarding risk

And in fact you demand that a mass experiment of allowing males into female changing rooms in schools be done so that data can be collected on this specific scenario so that you, personally can be convinced it’s a bad idea.

No, that won’t be happening. Perhaps you might want to step out of the discussion till you learn joined up thinking.