School allowing boy to change in girls changing room secondary school

[Saffy6]

Hi my teenage daughter has told me there is a boy who identifies as a girl changing with the girls in their communal changing room. I have emailed the school who have confirmed this and stated that cases are dealt with individually but in most cases “trans students would have access to the changing room or toilet that corresponds to their gender identity. This approach is supported by the equality act 2010” None of the parents have been informed. Some of the girls are uncomfortable but do not feel they can say anything as they are afraid of being accused of transphobia.

My other daughter in year 9 has 3 girls in her class now identifying as boys (changed name and pronouns). Surely if they want to change in the boys changing rooms they will be allowed to too?

I’ve contacted safe schools alliance and I intend to challenge this policy. My question is, is this the norm? What is your schools policy on transgender kids and changing rooms and has anyone been in a similar position where you challenged this policy and what was the outcome?

Oh don't make a mistype on here.

People will be up in arms!!

(or is that just for me).

Well amazingly....
because MN posters words are not law?

Have you got any idea how many posts I'm trying to respond to at once?

Reported for aggression.

I'm asking a question! I never said it was OK.

Oh don't make a mistype on here

People will be up in arms!!

your mistypes could be considered misgendering…not saying you are but people have been deleted for mistypes before

You may think it is outdated but the majority do not. I said both sexes are protected by single sex spaces. Women are especially protected because, iirc over 98% of sexual assault etc is man on woman so keeping men out of womens spaces gives women some protection from any man that may be predatory. Single sex spaces also support areas such as religious beliefs.

Society as a whole should aim to protect, single sex spaces are one part of this. The start point is that they are there for a very important reason, if anyone wants them changed to mixed sex then they should be outlining the reasons why this would be beneficial, safe etc. And then of course, society would need to support this, and the majority would say no.

So instead of keep asking us to justify what is accepted as the what the majority want, what is safest for both males and females, perhaps you could say why it should change.

Can she get changed in a "boys" space?

Privacy and dignity wise, that's up to the boys, but I don't think it's particularly wise for girls/young women to change in a room full of boys. So I would hope the school would sensibly say no on safeguarding grounds and provide an alternative space.

Well amazingly....
because MN posters words are not law?

No one said they were? It's the only fair solution if the child doesn't want to change with other boys.

And surely we all want a fair solution. Right?

Please find me the statistics on male on female sexual assault in PE changing rooms between the age of 12 and 18 and then I might be interested.

So we are supporting religious beliefs but not transgender?

Please find me the statistics on male on female sexual assault in PE changing rooms between the age of 12 and 18 and then I might be interested.

I'm sure you know how to use Google. If you're interested, of course.

I do want a fair solution.

I don't have a issue with a child changing in a third place. I haven't said that anywhere on this thread.

What I had an issue with is the posts about going to the papers, sending the girls on strike, etc

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

It's all well and good going on articles but what would you actually do if it was your child?

I don't have a issue with a child changing in a third place.

Good for you. Not that it's about you in any way. The OP says that her daughter and other girls are uncomfortable. This is the feminist board you're on, we don't disregard the privacy and dignity of women and girls here. Because that isn't very feminist.

It IS the child of someone on here, and she’s acting to protect her child.

I think if you're going to make as bold a claim that your secondary school daughter is at risk of sexual assault or rape in a changing room (of course by a transgender girl, because that's the risk) then you need to back it up.

Especially if you try to explain that a 12 year old male in gender crisis (who an earlier poster pointed out has zero relevance to sexuality) is in any way more dangerous than a fellow female student who is attracted to females, I'd like to see the evidence.

It is not my job to prove the evidence of other posters. Thanks though.

I'd complain to the school. As the OP is doing.

Outdated? Women's rights to undress / sleep / shower / talk about abuse / without males present is outdated?

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

Males as a sex class are statistically much more likely to commit sexual assault than women and girls. Google is indeed your friend, it's all quite basic stuff.

No, it's all about the OP's daughter. Only the OP's daughter, and nobody else.

feminism is about equality. Equality.

Not I'M A GIRL AND THEREFORE I'M BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.

OP has yet to provide evidence that anyone is bothered except herself.

Out of interest -

the m-t-f's pupil's mum is a female. she is upset that her child is being spoken about to the headteacher, all the other kids, on social media, in the paper, or challenged directly (all suggestions on this thread).

She's a woman too. If she was the OP...what then?

I don't have a issue with a child changing in a third place. I haven't said that anywhere on this thread.

Yes you have - you said it would be othering.

I agree FWIW about going to the press and taking about a specific child - not right at all. But given the number of trans pupils in secondary schools these days it's highly unlikely any individual one would be identified in a story about the policy in a particular school.

You're missing the point.

Is the reason for PE changing rooms because female 12 year old pupils are scared of sexual assault?

Please quote me where I said this.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

I would say it's definitely worth bearing that in mind when people come on to the feminist board with tired MRA taking points.

And what would you actually say?

Do you have a problem with men and boys?

LOL

I don’t think it’s the job of anyone on here to “prove” that males are more dangerous than females, or that male on female sexual assaults are common in schools, or that teenage girls have the right to single sex changing. If the first two propositions aren’t obvious, lurk more on this board and you’ll see plenty of evidence. The latter proposition is the law.