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What is a Woman? Advert. The tide is truly turning...

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Appalonia · 13/04/2022 10:00

"Florida-based watch manufacturer Egard Watches has created an ad spot in defense of biological women’s rights.

What are the details?
The video opens with footage of accomplished women, including female athletes and others, and shows women through the decades and even centuries fighting for equal rights.

"What is a woman?" the female narrator says. "Is women's history of achievements quickly being erased? Is a woman a feminine force of nature? Is a woman a sister, a daughter, a mother? Is a woman the wonder of childbirth?"

"Is a woman a caregiver?" the narrator continues. "Is a woman a warrior who fought for her place?"

The video continues, "Is that now being taken away, soon to be forgotten? Is that not worth protecting? And how long do we sit idly by and not stand for the sacred value of womanhood as it loses all meaning?"

"Because we believe that womanhood is a birthright," the narrator concludes.

What else?
In a statement provided to Blaze Media, Egard CEO Ilan Srulovicz said, “The overwhelming majority of Americans are appalled by Big Tech, Big Business, and Big Government’s coordinated campaign to erase the hard-fought gains earned by untold millions of amazing women in our society."

"Yet, almost nobody is speaking for them," Srulovicz continued. "We crafted an ad campaign that celebrates our grandmothers, mothers, sisters, aunts, and daughters, and everything they represent to paint a stark contrast to the lies we are all being told."

Srulovicz added, "The push for transgender rights is no longer about equality, it’s now a cleverly-crafted lie that comes at the expense of women. We ask all Americans to join us to speak truth.”

This is a VERY powerful advert

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MangyInseam · 21/04/2022 00:09

Octomore · 20/04/2022 11:54

And that's without starting on the racism - the first image of a black woman in that video is a negative one. The fact that the couldn't show Serena Williams or Simone Biles as an example of female sporting achievement tells you a lot about where this is coming from politically.

These people are not interested in women's rights, and they are also not interested in the rights of other oppressed classes. This is all about maintaining a status quo in which chaste, caring, feminine white women are held up as the pure ideal of womanhood' and other women despised. In other words - the exact same status quo that feminists should stand against. Women don't win under that status quo, not even the ones who meet the impossible standard.

These people do not have your back.

They can't just go around using images of living people like Biles in an advertisement. Companies pay huge money to athletes of that caliber to use their images for advertising, and I daresay they might not agree anyway given that the ads are politically controversial.

MangyInseam · 21/04/2022 00:26

notwhatineednow · 19/04/2022 23:51

@MangyInseam

If feminism is only left wing it's really not relevant to about half of women, and needs to stop pretending that it takes all women seriously. There is no more reason we should think of it as any more important than any other partisan viewpoint, and it certainly should not claim to speak for women.

Conservatives in the US are about as likely to be women as men. If feminism imagines it's for all women, then it needs to listen to them and not behave like some kind of patronizing parent speaking on their behalf because they don't really know what they think or what's good for them. They really aren't all chained up in the kitchen without enough education to have an opinion.

Feminism being for all women doesn't mean accepting ideas that are against women's best interests. No matter how many women believe in them.

Pro-lifers are not feminist. They are anti-woman. No matter what sex they are.

Have people lost sight of there being an objective reality? That people can be right or wrong about a thing?

Reality doesn't have a focus group. It just is.

And who gets to decide what ideas are in women's best interests? You? Women on the left? Women with the right ideas?

Your feminism is a political clique, it's not for women as a whole, it's for women you share political views with to impose on the rest of the plebs.

Many many women's campaigners have been pro-life, and the majority of women, even now, think that abortions at certain points should be restricted. Not because they hate women, but because they think there are other considerations which have weight, and that rights very often need to be balanced. Dismissing any woman who believes the balance isn't what you believe as anti-woman is seriously problematic. Apart from that, there are significant feminist arguments that easy abortion as we know it is very damaging to women as a whole, and some people find them compelling, which doesn't mean they should be ejected from a feminist discourse.

You might also want to consider that American conservatism is a lot bigger than the "religious right" which has lost quite a lot of it's political influence over the last few years in any case. Calling anything from that side of the line the religious right is like calling anyone on the left a marxist.

AnnesBrokenSlate · 21/04/2022 00:30

SelfPortraitWithPterodactyl · 13/04/2022 12:35

Christ, I am so tired of the posters who pop up on every bloody thread to point out that just because someone (politician, company, whatever) has said something true and sensible they are not automatically paragons of virtue or allies in every other way. For fuck's sake, WE KNOW. We are not - unlike some people, apparently - naive enough to assume that someone who says one right thing is a Good Person Who Can Do No Wrong. Seriously, if you see an advert that you approve of and automatically think that business must be worth supporting for every other reason that says a lot more about you and your approach to the world - and indeed, to my mind, suggests the sort of unsophisticated black-and-white thinking that is exacerbating the culture wars. We are recognising here that merely speaking the truth on this topic is unusual, and that we want to encourage it. Does that mean said truth-speaking is necessarily altruistically motivated? Obviously not. Is speaking a self-evident truth an exceptionally low fucking bar? Yes. Does it mean the speaker is a Good Person? Again, obviously not. 🙄 What we are rewarding is the action, the much-needed, refreshing and significant action - while also deploring the need for it and regretting that people who claim to be more charitably motivated can't go one better. We're not idiots, and we're not awarding a fucking sainthood.

If we were awarding sainthoods, I'd give you a sainthood for this post 😀😇

People who are invested in painting women as gullible, naive and easily manipulated are actually raging that we aren't those things at all.

MangyInseam · 21/04/2022 02:08

And I'd just point out that feminism is not wedded to being critical of the very existence of gender over all. Just a few days ago there was an article by Kathleen Stock posted here where she argued that the idea of abolishing gender overall was incompatible with humans as social cultural biological beings, and also likely to be bad for women. She's hardly alone in not being particularly wedded to that idea or even critical of it.

Octomore · 21/04/2022 06:40

They can't just go around using images of living people like Biles in an advertisement. Companies pay huge money to athletes of that caliber to use their images for advertising, and I daresay they might not agree anyway given that the ads are politically controversial.

Most of those gymnasts they showed from the 70s will still be alive. Ditto Fallon Fox.

They can use footage of anyone they like, if that footage is in the public domain or they get permission from the owner. They can't use promotional images owned by the sponsor, but Olympic footage etc, medal ceremonies they would be able to (and did!).

I doubt the judge or Fallon Fox agreed with being featured either, but they managed to include them.

As for their website, I didn't see many images of women at all, let alone black ones. The photos were mainly just of watches (which is fair).

Clearly we disagree, but the fact is that the images they used in this advert were actively chosen. And I question what those choices tell us about the politics of the creator.

SelfPortraitWithPterodactyl · 21/04/2022 07:24

Ha ha, thank you, Anne! 👼😇

MalagaNights · 21/04/2022 09:01

The advert isn't gender critical as feminists would use it: as in gender is an oppressive social construct we must eradict and we shouldn't suggest women are any different to men except for biology.

But it is critical of the gender ideology underpinning the Trans movement: that biological women are not a distinct sex class.

The belief of some feminists that women are no different to men except in biology is not held by most women, as it goes against their personal experience of reality and their personal desires.

However the movement against the dangerous to women & children Trans ideology is not owned by gender critical feminists. Although they have done the grass roots work to bring it to wider attention. They saw it coming.

It is also now recognised increasingly by those who believe women are a distinct sex class and who have in general strengths and important roles in society which should be celebrated.

Unfortunately for many left wing gender critical feminists the left wing are currently against them, and the fact they agree with people who have a more conservative view is driving them mad.

MalagaNights · 21/04/2022 09:05

And Katanjii Brown Jackson is one of the most powerful women in the USA if not the world, and will influence the law in many areas over many years.

Yet she wouldn't say what a women is.

That is terrifying and dystopian and she deserves for it to be highlighted, repeated and ridiculed for the rest of her career.

Chiteay · 21/04/2022 09:31

How the right wing co-opted Graham Linehan's 'ok groomer' to erase LGB rights

What is a Woman? Advert. The tide is truly turning...
What is a Woman? Advert. The tide is truly turning...
Calculathor · 21/04/2022 20:31

There are several men of colour (mainly celebrities I think) on the home page, wearing the watches. No women of any colour. The company offers far more men's watches than women's watches, which probably explains that.

Fimofriend · 23/04/2022 14:10

That's actually a beautiful video.

Twocrabs20 · 13/05/2022 22:02

And now the same Company Egard is using its platform to advocate the taking away of women’s right.

See it’s CEO weighing in on the Roe v Wade debate, and discussing the chopping up of babies, at:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Veltw2GPpUw&utm_source=UE+%7C+Engaged+30&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=UE+%7C+C6%2FM29+-+Pro-life+vs.+pro-choice+%28Sbqaec%29&_kx=v7LePnz4XVaxTOggPM0MhDBFHwgK6n6QzhqZ3fumH-s%3D.P5CxSX

Twocrabs20 · 13/05/2022 22:06

And this:

What is a Woman? Advert. The tide is truly turning...
cloudcats · 14/05/2022 07:34

Twocrabs20 · 13/05/2022 22:02

And now the same Company Egard is using its platform to advocate the taking away of women’s right.

See it’s CEO weighing in on the Roe v Wade debate, and discussing the chopping up of babies, at:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Veltw2GPpUw&utm_source=UE+%7C+Engaged+30&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=UE+%7C+C6%2FM29+-+Pro-life+vs.+pro-choice+%28Sbqaec%29&_kx=v7LePnz4XVaxTOggPM0MhDBFHwgK6n6QzhqZ3fumH-s%3D.P5CxSX

Well, colour me surprised. Hmm

A US company that runs an ad that portrays women using sexist stereotypes turns out to be pro-life.

That's exactly what women on this thread were trying to say.

While there is an active push to get rid of women's rights, we need to do better at understanding who is on our side and who is working against us.

Please don't let yourselves be fooled by glossy videos with high production values, or think that just because someone understands that woman is a biological term that they're on our side. The extreme right wing are not on the side of women, never were, never will be.

woopdedoodle · 17/05/2022 13:41

A couple of days ago the company sent me a video, which I must admit I didn't watch , of two men discussing the "abortion issue" in America. They also asked for my thoughts, which they got, blow me down they replied asking for a deeper reason why I felt the way I did. Which I did . Scrap me off the floor they've invited me to talk on their pod cast. I've said no , and told them to go and talk to their own family and friends in the States about pregnancy and heath care .

Anyway, anyone else been contacted?

MangyInseam · 17/05/2022 14:06

woopdedoodle · 17/05/2022 13:41

A couple of days ago the company sent me a video, which I must admit I didn't watch , of two men discussing the "abortion issue" in America. They also asked for my thoughts, which they got, blow me down they replied asking for a deeper reason why I felt the way I did. Which I did . Scrap me off the floor they've invited me to talk on their pod cast. I've said no , and told them to go and talk to their own family and friends in the States about pregnancy and heath care .

Anyway, anyone else been contacted?

Wow, that's an interesting turn of events.

woopdedoodle · 17/05/2022 19:18

OK, so it seems just me ! May be every one else let rip a bit more or were better at managing their spam than I am .

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