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Boris Speaks!

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AndAsIfByMagic · 06/04/2022 12:23

Sky News.

He thinks it's unfair for biological men to compete in women's sports.

He says it's important to preserve women's spaces.

Says he has a lot to learn about the issue but we have to be sensible.

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MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2022 16:46

@Scarybutnecassary

Agree with Boris but am not going to fall for voting Tory ..am not that stupid!
If you agree with it aren’t you concerned Labour will bring in Self ID if they win?
Swayingpalmtrees · 06/04/2022 16:46

Most people I know are swing voters. They may not nail their colours to the mast in the same way they did in 1970s. Most people make their political assessment rightly or wrongly looking at the least bad option.

It is why we do still have landslides and how parties can come roaring back strongly with the right policies and people. Labour in my view had it all to lose, we have had a very long period of Conservative rule, many people were looking for a change and recharge at the helm. Jeremy was banished and it looked for a while like Labour could indeed become a serious contender...and then Starmer opened his mouth and since then Labour's chances have tanked.
Not only is he a terrible orator, wooden and lacking in charm, but the policies of the party are totally invisible to everyone. They still have no coherent policies on anything! And the final nail into the coffin of their chances of a win in the next election is Starmer failing to recognise 51% of his potential electorate despite sitting next to MPs that are women, a wife and daughter that I assume he can see are women!

Labour have created this shit show, and now Johnson has taken the gloves off and thrown down the gauntlet today.....what will Labour's response be?

I am guessing they will scream blue murder that he is a transphobe and does not understand the trans community watch this space. What else can they do now. They have boxed themselves into a very small corner.

Crcohetmonster · 06/04/2022 16:48

@Swayingpalmtrees Angela Rayner did just that. Apparently Boris is wrong.

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/04/2022 16:48

Do you intend to spoil your ballot or vote for your own erasure scary?

jkrfan · 06/04/2022 16:49

@tabbycatstripy

‘Given his track record, why on earth would you believe he (a) means it and (b) is going to do anything about it?’

I think he means it for the reason it’s easy to accept anyone would mean it: it’s common sense.

And he is doing things. He is resisting intense pressure to enact bad law.

Yep I am so relieved...
nauticant · 06/04/2022 16:50

I'll be repeating what others have said but it doesn't really matter.

There's this belief that Starmer will stand up for women. How is that going to happen when he claims not to have a proper understanding of what women are?

If the choice is between someone who everyone knows who is unscrupulous vs someone who is convinced that even if he's harming women's rights, because he's righteous and morally superior, the harm doesn't actually exist, well, I'd take unscrupulous.

I have a sense that that the fundamental changes Labour want to make will take a generation or more to undo.

onionartist · 06/04/2022 16:50

Pleased about what BJ said today. but I will never ever vote Tory because of this. People are deluded if they think that Tory policies ever favour women. The 12 years of Tory rule have been devastating for women in the material sense.

MadnessOfHamsters · 06/04/2022 16:50

@Scarybutnecassary

Agree with Boris but am not going to fall for voting Tory ..am not that stupid!
I certainly wouldn’t dream if calling you a name for the way which you choose to vote/not vote.

But neither do I believe I am stupid for deciding to actively support a party who is heading the direction I want it to, on an issue that is vitally important to me. Whilst also actively preventing the party who wants to destroy my rights from getting in to power.

I live in a previously ‘red wall’ area. The local Tory MP has been active and very helpful both in the community and me personally (pip tribunal). If Labour decides to keep pandering to a small fringe of lunatic activists rather than protecting women and children, I will vote to keep my mp in place. And also in the upcoming council elections, as I believe the Tory’s will be watching to see just how strongly women feel about this.

Swayingpalmtrees · 06/04/2022 16:51

Angela, you would think as a working class girl like myself would see through this bullshit and call it out, she is exactly the type of gobby woman we were talking about upthread that would be calling this out.

I wonder what made her shut up and vote for her own annihilation instead? I genuinely intend to ask her if I can. Can you walk me through how you have arrived at such an extreme position. I might also ask her how much she was paid? As surely turkeys do not vote for Christmas, so this turkey seems to have an incentive no?

Charley50 · 06/04/2022 16:53

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Charley50 · 06/04/2022 16:54

Let's hope this gets BBC and Channel 4 reporting honestly on the situation.

Signalbox · 06/04/2022 16:55

@Charley50

Let's hope this gets BBC and Channel 4 reporting honestly on the situation.
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/61012030
jkrfan · 06/04/2022 16:57

@WelshyMaud

But I believe that what Boris said today is a rare example of absolute truth coming from him. Those were his own, genuine opinions.Boris knows exactly what a woman is

I agree. I also got the feeling that he just jumped the gun a bit in that interview and said a bit more than he intended. It didn't sound as scripted and 'party line' as many other interviews I've seen.

I also think this is what he genuinely believes as well. It is common sense. He did after all not implement self-id so he already had an inkling there were issues.
Swayingpalmtrees · 06/04/2022 16:59

I think it is the extreme position pf stonewall and mermaids etc Charley to so casually ignore the dangers and risks to others, including children.

It is as if no one outside the trans sphere counts at all.

They have lost so much support in the process, most of us were open and committed to the idea of trans having a dignified, meaningful lives. Now they are obliterating all support by being so extreme and by wilfully harming others. It will not end well for them. They have done untold damage to their own movement, its creditability and its acceptability. It is actually grossly unfair to the trans people that do not believe women should come to harm and simply want to lead a normal life. It is now a PR disaster that is only growing and snowballing as more and more women (and men) wake up to the danger and loss of rights.

jkrfan · 06/04/2022 17:00

@ChristinaXYZ

It is so good - they now need urgently to deal with annex B. I am single issue voter now and this, Boris's interview here, is what I want to see, and I want to see more of it. Great too that he separated the LGB and the T.
They also need to get 'trans identity ideology' out of schools. That may flow from the Cass Review. It seems like the Education Dept guidelines for England are not necessarily implemented as they were recently rewritten to say kids should not be told 'they are born in the wrong body'. He needs to stop all Government funding to Stonewall.
doublemonkey · 06/04/2022 17:03

@Charley50

Let's hope this gets BBC and Channel 4 reporting honestly on the situation.
The BBC have misquoted him in the headline and the caption under the picture.

Time to scrap that TV licence .

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/61012030

FrecklesMalone · 06/04/2022 17:03

The take away from this is Boris is a populist. Therefore the pollers must have worked out that this is a populist view of right-wingers or potential Tory voters. He doesn't give a fuck about women's rights. So be warned don't think you are doing women any favours by keep the Tories in. Their track record is poor.

nauticant · 06/04/2022 17:04

I certainly wouldn’t dream if calling you a name for the way which you choose to vote/not vote.

This is the message I'm getting from the thread and it reflects what I see real life. Maybe I'm biased but I get the mainstream of the right in the UK saying that you're free to vote for who you want, while in the mainstream of the left in the UK there seem to be plenty of people who say that if you don't vote for our tribe you are a bad person. I cannot express quite how off-putting this is for me as someone who used to lean left.

jkrfan · 06/04/2022 17:05

[quote Bolets]@LookMoreCloselier clearly, it's not a non-issue to the posters on this thread? Do you think likening women with serious concerns to 'gammons' is an effective tactic to bring them to your view?[/quote]
They never learn that they need to win people who have voted differently over...and think insults will do it. Even people I know in real life try this tactic. It fails every time.

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2022 17:05

@FrecklesMalone

The take away from this is Boris is a populist. Therefore the pollers must have worked out that this is a populist view of right-wingers or potential Tory voters. He doesn't give a fuck about women's rights. So be warned don't think you are doing women any favours by keep the Tories in. Their track record is poor.
Do you prefer a party that blatantly states they will not listen to women about their rights?

Why is doing the opposite of what women want better to you

doublemonkey · 06/04/2022 17:06

@FrecklesMalone

The take away from this is Boris is a populist. Therefore the pollers must have worked out that this is a populist view of right-wingers or potential Tory voters. He doesn't give a fuck about women's rights. So be warned don't think you are doing women any favours by keep the Tories in. Their track record is poor.
Doubtful.

Most of the GC women I know and on here are/were hardcore Labour voters, party members and campaigners.

TimBoothseyes · 06/04/2022 17:06

The Tories may well know what a woman is...they still couldn't give a fat rats crack about keeping us safe though.

news.sky.com/story/ministers-criticised-after-mps-vote-against-making-misogyny-a-hate-crime-as-lords-amendment-defeated-12554448

LondonWolf · 06/04/2022 17:06

One of the usual TRAs who come on here to tell us off on the regular, recently said that GC feminists had never had a "big win" and that we'd ultimately lose. This and the clarification around single sex spaces from the EHRC this week feel like pretty big wins Grin

Sandra2010 · 06/04/2022 17:06

Think it's really sad that so many people are going to vote for the future of this country based on this one news story. Just words out of a liar's mouth.

Charley50 · 06/04/2022 17:09

[quote TimBoothseyes]The Tories may well know what a woman is...they still couldn't give a fat rats crack about keeping us safe though.

news.sky.com/story/ministers-criticised-after-mps-vote-against-making-misogyny-a-hate-crime-as-lords-amendment-defeated-12554448[/quote]
Some women don't want misogyny made a hate crime, as it can be used against women speaking out against males in women's spaces.