Boris Speaks!

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Sky News.

He thinks it's unfair for biological men to compete in women's sports.

He says it's important to preserve women's spaces.

Says he has a lot to learn about the issue but we have to be sensible.

Mainstream now see this too, waking up to the danger. We are seeing a mass movement against it, the politics reflects the sea change in sentiment and feeling about this. Simple.

A friend of mine, works in the NHS (not direct patient care). I've been talking to him about this stuff on occasion for about 5 years now. We've never fallen out or argued but he's always felt it was just a niche, fringe issue "oh there have always been drag queens and that sort of thing".

This week he has engaged me about it and has been sending me links about detranitioners and Gender GP. Something has just clicked into place for him.

@NotBadConsidering

The questions are always asked one way, never reversed. So we have

Why has Boris done nothing until now?

and never

Why are we living in a world where the prime minister or a country has to publicly state that males shouldn’t be playing in women’s sport?

That’s the question that needs to be asked. If sporting organisations and the Labour Party hadn’t been captured by ideology and kept their integrity, then Boris wouldn’t have even had to say a thing. But he has to, presumably with a heavy sigh, state the bleedin’ obvious because we live in a batshit world where stating reality gets you votes.

This.

It’s never been the job of the PM to organise sporting competitions. He’s probably been hoping it’d just sort itself out.

@Signalbox no I don’t believe a word of what BJ says because he has a tack record of looking very convincing but then changing his mind. Or saying Yes I’ll do that and then introduce little bits in the so called legislation that change it all. Or just not doing it all.

Just look at the latest if LGBT rights. What he do? Why do you think he did a couple of U turns and the hid stuff within the legislation?

How can anyone trust anything he says? Even general announcements from his government are usually full of lies.
(One recently on coming to my mind is about the VAT of solar panels)

@Signalbox no I don’t believe a word of what BJ says because he has a tack record of looking very convincing but then changing his mind. Or saying Yes I’ll do that and then introduce little bits in the so called legislation that change it all. Or just not doing it all.

So do you think BJ is a closet TRA?

Just look at the latest if LGBT rights. What he do? Why do you think he did a couple of U turns and the hid stuff within the legislation?

I think he did a u turn because he was presented with convincing evidence that conversion therapy for youth with gender dysphoria is potentially a bad idea and it’s better to wait for the Cass review before legislating. It’s quite straight forward. I believed him because what he said makes sense.

How can anyone trust anything he says? Even general announcements from his government are usually full of lies.

I don’t trust much of what BJ says.

But I do trust Labour when they say they will bring in self ID. And I absolutely don’t want that to happen as I think it will be irreversible and fundamentally bad for women.

Oh please, we're not stupid. It's not a pledge, it's a bog standard political manouevre to draw attention to Labour Party idiocy. But I'll tell you what, when Boris Johnson can make the opposition look shifty, stupid and untrustworthy then we're all in deep shit.

I'm being slow but it only just struck me last night - is going to be very, very difficult to sack people for expressing GC opinions when half the Cabinet is on record saying the same thing, isn't it?

@Signalbox

Just look at the latest if LGBT rights. What he do? Why do you think he did a couple of U turns and the hid stuff within the legislation?

I think he did a u turn because he was presented with convincing evidence that conversion therapy for youth with gender dysphoria is potentially a bad idea and it’s better to wait for the Cass review before legislating. It’s quite straight forward. I believed him because what he said makes sense.

Stonewall et al are furious because they only subscribe to the "confirmatory" model. They are against any discussion based counselling. This is why the legislation has been halted. Many Physcologists were concerned they could be sued for doing their job. It isn't hard to put some more detail in, and that will be done I am sure, but the pause was required. You can be sure that even when it comes back with amendments, the activists will accuse the government of denying children's rights to gender affirmation.

' a man who waits to see the way the crowd is running then dashes in front and says - Follow me! '. Michael Heseltine on Boris Johnson. But the Tories will have done their own polling , so at least the crowd is running towards fairness and common sense.

Or saying Yes I’ll do that and then introduce little bits in the so called legislation that change it all. Or just not doing it all

But all he said was (paraphrasing) women are ahf and require sex segregated spaces.

He didnt announce any new laws or anything. If he goes back on this we will wring our hands and start emailing them to change back.

I'm actually getting suspicious of all the alleged labour supporters trying to shame us into voting labour. They must know that calling someone names and implying stupidity will not work. Is it secretly so we vote Tory because they really want us to? Why?

I'm actually getting suspicious of all the alleged labour supporters trying to shame us into voting labour. They must know that calling someone names and implying stupidity will not work. Is it secretly so we vote Tory because they really want us to? Why?

It's odd, isn't it? I think some, like many Labour supporters up to and including politicians and staff, like name calling and sneering more than getting elected.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I'm actually getting suspicious of all the alleged labour supporters trying to shame us into voting labour. They must know that calling someone names and implying stupidity will not work. Is it secretly so we vote Tory because they really want us to? Why?

It's odd, isn't it? I think some, like many Labour supporters up to and including politicians and staff, like name calling and sneering more than getting elected.

When you have no arguments to back up a claim then sneering, bullying and attempted shaming is what you fall back on. Why Labour don't understand this I fail to understand. But as we see played out on this and other threads, they still do it.

I don’t even think it’s that complicated. It’s not about seeing which way opinion is blowing.

[invokes Sir Humphrey Appleby voice]

“Prime Minister, some people think the Earth is flat.”

“Hmm, yes, I have heard that.”

“We want you to say you believe the Earth is an oblate spheroid.”

[Looks up] “Sorry, what?”

“It means round, Prime Minister.”

“Ah, I see. But why do I need to come out and say that, it’s just bonkers that people think it’s flat, why does the prime minister need to say it isn’t?”

“Because Labour are saying it is and want to bring in law that makes us all say it.”

“Really? Have they lost the plot?”

“Completely, Prime Minister, and while it may seem a little…obvious to say the Earth is round, we think you may as well, given the Leader of the Opposition has completely lost his mind on such a simple matter.”

“Oh very well, I can’t believe I have to, isn’t this something astronomers should be doing? Tis so silly. Here I am, trying to convince everyone I’m not just a populist reactionary, and when something all of the population actually believes comes along, me saying something just seems like I’m saying it to be reactionary!”

“Well, it is a consequence of our strategy, Prime Minister, but we are talking easy votes here.”

“Oh very well, get me on Sky News then and I’ll state the bloody obvious. Crumbs, aren’t we doing well though! All this stuff about parties, Covid and whatnot, and old chum Kier is talking daft! I do tend to come out of things okay don’t I?”

“Yes, Prime Minister….”

That made me laugh a lot. Are you Simon Edge?

' a man who waits to see the way the crowd is running then dashes in front and says - Follow me! '. Michael Heseltine on Boris Johnson. But the Tories will have done their own polling , so at least the crowd is running towards fairness and common sense.

And was Jeremy Corbyn the man who stood there with a loud speaker demanding that the crowd run towards them?

Boris is an opportunist, but he has at least spotted this opportunity.

[quote Signalbox]**@Signalbox* no I don’t believe a word of what BJ says because he has a tack record of looking very convincing but then changing his mind. Or saying Yes I’ll do that and then introduce little bits in the so called legislation that change it all. Or just not doing it all.*

So do you think BJ is a closet TRA?[/quote]
It doesn’t matter.

Mixed sex wards have existed like forever now and it didn’t bother him.
I mean BJ isn’t the kind of guy who has a great estime and respect for women does he? We just have to look at the way he is in his personal life to know he has very little respect for women.

So why does he bother now? Because of the elections.
What his beliefs are aren’t important. He is too much of an opportunist.

Bringing it back to is he a TRA is simplistic as if all decisions could be brought back to a simple black and white equation TRA or not TRA.
That’s not life. And that’s certainly not politics, even less so the current conservative government

Fwiw I think Labour is crap at handling the situation too.

"Mixed sex wards have existed like forever now and it didn’t bother him. "

No, they really haven't. In fact , they absolutely didn't exist. Then they turned up in the 70s/80s - nothing to do with TRA just saving money/treating patients like drones. Then they were got rid of again. And now these gobshites are trying to bring them back

@MsTSwift

They are so cynical and have seen the daily Mail comments sections with literally thousands of ticks on this.

That said I agree with them and reluctantly would vote for them as I cannot vote labour or Lib Dem as o usually do this is a hill I will die on.

So does that make Labour credulous, gullible or just plain old wrong?

In this I will accept the cynicism.

It doesn’t matter.

It kind of does matter. You are saying that BJ is lying (to get votes) about thinking that sex matters in sports / services for women and that children shouldn't be making irreversible decisions about their bodies.

I think it's more likely than not that he isn't lying about this issue. BJ is obviously keen to get votes but that doesn't necessarily mean that BJ is lying about this.

Mixed sex wards have existed like forever now and it didn’t bother him. I mean BJ isn’t the kind of guy who has a great estime and respect for women does he? We just have to look at the way he is in his personal life to know he has very little respect for women.

I don't think this is true. I've recently worked in a hospital. Generally wards were single sex. There were exceptions (if it was really busy, AMU, ICU, wards that have side rooms).

So why does he bother now? Because of the elections. What his beliefs are aren’t important. He is too much of an opportunist.

Perhaps because women are getting noisier and campaigning successfully. Perhaps because a woman was recently raped on a ward and then the investigation was impeded due to the ward saying there was no man present. There could be numerous reasons why a politician decides to change their priorities on something. But frankly I don't really care why Boris said what he said. The fact is, the Conservative government are unlikely to bring in self ID and are likely to limit the conversion therapy ban to gay conversion therapy until after the Cass review is completed. Labour have promised to do the opposite.

Bringing it back to is he a TRA is simplistic as if all decisions could be brought back to a simple black and white equation TRA or not TRA. That’s not life. And that’s certainly not politics, even less so the current conservative government.

Yup to say that BJ always lies and therefore is lying on this issue for only opportunistic reasons is very black and white.

I can't believe people are still blustering that 'He's only doing this to win votes'!

Party A: Realises that most people do not in fact believe that TWAW. Realises that a hell of a lot of women are very angry. Realises that your average person on the street is not, in fact, very woke and does not want to vote for a party which is. Is largely made up of politicians who know perfectly well what a woman is, and would be genuinely relieved to be able to admit this. Has realised that making unpopular policies to appease a vocal minority will not do them any favours. Has realised that 'no debate' is over and which way the wind is blowing, and has therefore decided it's a good idea (and politically expedient) to tell the actual truth about this.

Party B: Doggedly ignores all of this, pretend they don't know which way the wind is blowing. Unconvincingly pretend they don't know TW are not W, blundering and stammering over definitions in interviews. Pretend they think it's bigoted to believe what the overwhelming majority of humans believe - i.e. that TW are not W. Pursue an ideology which not only their potential voters, but also no doubt they themselves don't really actually believe.

Agree with that summary. Plus if the Labour leadership are so weak that they can be persuaded to literally parrot an obvious untruth to appease a vocal minority which the majority of voters disagree with them - frankly are they even fit to govern?

Precisely. No they aren't!

@Fairislefandango Apart from their new found respect for the female sex are the tories fit to govern ? 12 years and still pretty shite at it no ?
Please don’t make out they are in any way honourable or competent. They aren’t. It’s a single issue thing and nothing more. Says more about you than them to be honest.