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Boris Speaks!

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AndAsIfByMagic · 06/04/2022 12:23

Sky News.

He thinks it's unfair for biological men to compete in women's sports.

He says it's important to preserve women's spaces.

Says he has a lot to learn about the issue but we have to be sensible.

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Terfydactyl · 07/04/2022 09:09

@GoodJanetBadJanet

Another one here worried about what seems like an attack on gillick competence. It's disturbing that people seem OK with taking away choice and bodily autonomy. That most certainly can affect women.
Gillick is for under 16s. So girls maybe affected. Which in the case of double mastectomies for an issue they very well could grow out of is fine in my view. If you mean birth control, its unlikely after how many decades of giving under age girls birth control will stop, after all it's not permanent, once you stop taking birth control you can get pregnant. If you mean abortion, it's just been confirmed that phone appointments for this issue will continue. If you mean minor operations like tonsil removal, then the parent can give permission ( should gillick be removed, it wont but just in case) So pretty much your whole post is wrong.
GoodJanetBadJanet · 07/04/2022 09:14

Gillick is for under 16s. So girls maybe affected.*
Yes, but that could affect abortions too (hopefully never would) but where would it stop if its eroded or taken away?

EmileFord · 07/04/2022 09:16

Igneococcus - thanks - I've signed up!

Charley50 - yes, so I see!

GoodJanetBadJanet · 07/04/2022 09:17

If you mean birth control, its unlikely
Unlikely, yes.
Not impossible though.
Is it really a risk people want to take?
I don't.
I'd rather know abortion and birth control were definitely safe, and we can't say they definitely would always be if we start attacking bodily autonomy.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/04/2022 09:25

And they sided with Lily Madigan over her, too. Any fool with half a brain could see what Madigan was about. Embarrassing.

Angela Rayner simpering "I'll keep a seat warm in parliament for youuuuu" 🙄

Terfydactyl · 07/04/2022 09:28

@GoodJanetBadJanet

If you mean birth control, its unlikely Unlikely, yes. Not impossible though. Is it really a risk people want to take? I don't. I'd rather know abortion and birth control were definitely safe, and we can't say they definitely would always be if we start attacking bodily autonomy.
Are you on about women now or girls? Our bodily autonomy is always at risk. Look how long it's taken for self Id to become almost law. Roughly 20 years. You think if a concerted effort was made by the right people that we would keep what we have? Weve almost lost everything now.

How do you think women and girls in Ireland managed all this time with zero abortion rights?
If it came to pass that we lost those right (bloody unlikely) then we probably would find a way around it.

Btw you know the USA laws pretty much ban any abortion anywhere bar a few states.?

Needmoresleep · 07/04/2022 09:34

Unlikely, yes.
Not impossible though.
Is it really a risk people want to take?
I don't.
So you would rather young girls were mutilated to avoid what is a tiny risk.

I actually think it is the reverse. If this legislation were to include the T, public opposition would grow to the extent wider socially conservative would become more likely.

Britain is a democracy and at the moment it is hard to think that the public, and indeed Tory backbenchers, would start calling for the measures you are calling for.

RODG is starting to affect a lot of friends families and communities across Britain. Quite why Stonewall maintains a tin ear on ordinary and reasonable concerns.

GoodJanetBadJanet · 07/04/2022 09:36

Are you on about women now or girls?
Both, really.
You were talking about it affecting 16 year olds and younger.
So girls.
Who should be able to make decisions for themselves too when it comes to making decisions about abortion and birth control.
If we start attacking gillick competence (bodily autonomy) for some, surely it stands to reason that it might eventually affect others too?
Or is it a case of its alright if you're trans, but OK stop there, right, that's it, no more - don't come for us too?
As I don't think it'll work like that.

Mystraightenersarebroken · 07/04/2022 09:43

@SelfPortraitWithPterodactyl

Yes, Catherina, this may all be true. The fact remains that we are being asked to choose between someone who says something that we think is on the side of truth, justice and equality - knowing him to be an unscrupulous dick - and someone who, although he is probably less of a wanker, is spouting a rigid, misogynistic, hateful ideology in spite of knowing that it hurts women. You advise us to choose the latter. I remain unconvinced.
This nails it
maddy68 · 07/04/2022 09:46

If you vote Tory you are a douch. For every other humane reason And to vote for ANY party on one policy is madness

EdgeOfACoin · 07/04/2022 09:47

As far as I'm aware it is illegal for an under-16 to get a tattoo. A 16-year-old needs parental permission. (At least, that used to be the case - I assume it still is.)

Nobody seems to be stressing about a 15-year-old's inability to get a tattoo and their bodily autonomy.

EdgeOfACoin · 07/04/2022 09:47

If you vote Tory you are a douch.

Oh, okay, I'm persuaded. Great point, well made.

SwissBall · 07/04/2022 09:49

I’ve just been reading about Crispin Blunt having a massive tantrum.

Can someone direct me to this please? Grin

Floisme · 07/04/2022 09:51

You'd have thought that, after December 2019, we'd have all learned that haranguing and insulting the very people whose votes we need, is not a great tactic.

SelfPortraitWithPterodactyl · 07/04/2022 09:52

If you vote Tory you are a douch.

I believe "douche" has an "e".

GoodJanetBadJanet · 07/04/2022 09:57

Yes, because being allowed to get a tattoo at 16 is just as serious as being allowed an abortion or birth control Hmm

inmyslippers · 07/04/2022 10:00

If you vote Tory you are a douch.

^^ don't it's going to be labours campaign slogan 🤣

GoodJanetBadJanet · 07/04/2022 10:02

Also bigger picture, such as abortion and birth control are more medical issues, whereas getting a tattoo is different as that's cosmetic.

ImAvingOops · 07/04/2022 10:19

needmoresleep there is a piece in the mail today from one of the athletes who competed against Lia Thomas, saying how unfair it is for biological males to be competing against females.

bellinisurge · 07/04/2022 10:23

Douch? Leaving aside the spelling (because we all fuck up our spelling and look like dicks), selfID and de facto self ID constitutes an existential crisis for women. Hardly "one little issue ".
A woman was raped on a single sex ward and disbelieved for a YEAR because the hospital didn't record that the rapist (a fellow patient on the ward) was a man. In fact, they didn't believe her because they said that we don't have any men on our ward so you couldn't have been raped. That creates an existential crisis for women.
So fuck off.

Beowulfa · 07/04/2022 10:25

@GoodJanetBadJanet

Also bigger picture, such as abortion and birth control are more medical issues, whereas getting a tattoo is different as that's cosmetic.
Can you provide evidence for strong public appetite for the banning of birth control for under 16s after it's been legal without issue for such a long time? Do you seriously think such legislation would make it through both chambers? Which politicians are currently campaigning for it?

In a grown-up world where we could discuss trans issues calmly and factually, a discussion of Gillick competence and the comparison of birth control and irreversible experimental medication for vulnerable teenagers would be quite enlightening.

ResisterRex · 07/04/2022 10:25

@maddy68

If you vote Tory you are a douch. For every other humane reason And to vote for ANY party on one policy is madness
Voting to keep women safe, to protect children, are not humane things to think about and take into account when casting a vote?
Terfydactyl · 07/04/2022 10:29

@GoodJanetBadJanet

Are you on about women now or girls? Both, really. You were talking about it affecting 16 year olds and younger. So girls. Who should be able to make decisions for themselves too when it comes to making decisions about abortion and birth control. If we start attacking gillick competence (bodily autonomy) for some, surely it stands to reason that it might eventually affect others too? Or is it a case of its alright if you're trans, but OK stop there, right, that's it, no more - don't come for us too? As I don't think it'll work like that.
No you mentioned gillick. Gillick only affects girls(and boys). Adult human females can make choices and go places that teen girls cannot.

Why do you think gillick is being or about to be dismantled?

Theres no sign of that happening at all. Plus if it did then we as 51% of the population could raise a fair fight about it. We do after all know how to now after the last many years.

So you think something affecting a tiny minority but then found to affect others whether intended or not should be stopped?

EdgeOfACoin · 07/04/2022 10:30

@GoodJanetBadJanet

Also bigger picture, such as abortion and birth control are more medical issues, whereas getting a tattoo is different as that's cosmetic.
But the point still stands that it is currently illegal for a teen to permanently modify their body with a tattoo, yet legal for a teen to obtain access to contraception etc.

The idea that it will become illegal for a teen to access contraception if they are not allowed to access puberty blockers is a non sequitur. It is a TRA talking point.

Terfydactyl · 07/04/2022 10:30

@GoodJanetBadJanet

Also bigger picture, such as abortion and birth control are more medical issues, whereas getting a tattoo is different as that's cosmetic.
A double mastectomy when no cancer is cosmetic.