Boris Speaks!

[AndAsIfByMagic]

Sky News.

He thinks it's unfair for biological men to compete in women's sports.

He says it's important to preserve women's spaces.

Says he has a lot to learn about the issue but we have to be sensible.

^ don't it's going to be labours campaign slogan

With the misspelling and all.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

With the misspelling and all.

Perhaps carved in stone? No, wait...

That seems to be basically saying though that if it stops people from transitioning, that's OK - as being trans is just cosmetic, so bring it on for them, but not for us
When it's obviously much more complicated than "just being cosmetic. ''
As I said, you can't start to pick and choose who you want bodily autonomy for as that's a dodgy road to go down.

@bellinisurge

Douch? Leaving aside the spelling (because we all fuck up our spelling and look like dicks), selfID and de facto self ID constitutes an existential crisis for women. Hardly "one little issue ". A woman was raped on a single sex ward and disbelieved for a YEAR because the hospital didn't record that the rapist (a fellow patient on the ward) was a man. In fact, they didn't believe her because they said that we don't have any men on our ward so you couldn't have been raped. That creates an existential crisis for women. So fuck off.

Fuck off isn't a debate

Fuck off isn't a debate

Picking apart someone's spelling and saying fuck off, yep with you on this one

I think that once you've called someone who might vote differently from you a douch you've kind of lost the intellectual high ground, no?

Fuck off isn't a debate

We've been having the debate for the last 15 pages. If your response to all of that is, "if you vote Tory you're a douch [sic]" I don't think you're exactly demonstrating that you'd be amenable to more sensible arguments.

Bored of being kind. Someone calls me a douch(e), I'm in no mood to be Michelle Obama today and go high when they go low. I explained why I said fuck off. Because this is an existential threat to women.

Because this is an existential threat to women
Posters thinking Boris and the Daily Mail care about women and girls and a vote for Boris is '' a vote for women everywhere'' is.
They only care when they think there' s something in it for them.

Of course I know he's a shifty bastard and not a campaigner for women. I'm not an idiot. But this is "do a deal with the devil" time because Labour haven't stepped up. If they do, I will vote Labour. If they don't I'll spoil my ballot.

I'm not an idiot
I never said you were.
I wasn't talking about you personally, just posters in general and what's been said in this thread

@maddy68

If you vote Tory you are a douch. For every other humane reason And to vote for ANY party on one policy is madness

When that one policy is fighting against the biggest danger to women and girls in my lifetime then I'll vote for it thank you very much.

@GoodJanetBadJanet

Because this is an existential threat to women Posters thinking Boris and the Daily Mail care about women and girls and a vote for Boris is '' a vote for women everywhere'' is. They only care when they think there' s something in it for them.

Well, of course politicians care when they think there's something in it for them. Winning elections, for instance. Votes.

If other parties cared about the opinions and votes of, in this case, women, instead of a spurious ideological purity, a lot of us wouldn't be considering voting Tory.

This myth that we are all right wing and we all love and trust Johnson. Nah.
I'd rather Rosie Duffield's voice but Labour won't support her.

I would happily vote Tory and suffer whatever is required under any other policy for as long as it takes, if it means a Labour Party who is determined to bring in self-ID is kept out.

I would do this because suffering under Tories for a decade or two is infinitely better than being responsible for my daughters, and their daughters, and their daughters, in the next century and beyond having no space outside of their own home that can be guaranteed to be free of males.

Because once it’s brought in, there will be no going back. Women will never have single sex anything, ever. That is the gravity of what a vote for Labour means; the sacrifice of single sex spaces for our lifetime and that of future generations.

I do not give a single fuck if that makes me a douch [sic], a Tory apologist, a bigot, a transphobe, or what ever other made up idea about me might get thrown around. I know my own politics, I know my own leanings, I know my own prejudice, and it’s not my problem if parties are actively pushing my vote away, it’s theirs.

@GoodJanetBadJanet

Because this is an existential threat to women Posters thinking Boris and the Daily Mail care about women and girls and a vote for Boris is '' a vote for women everywhere'' is. They only care when they think there' s something in it for them.

Like umpteen other posters on this thread alone.

WE KNOW

Ok we know they dont care, we know boris is a moron, we know.
Doesn't matter, instead of giving us a hard time for voting how we choose (which is still legal) go tell labour, lib dems, greens, and most annoyingly womens equally party.
Go right ahead, let them know a lot of women are so pissed off with their current policies on self id and the twaw mantra that they will vote boris in.
If those parties had any brains about them, they would do something to win our votes.

Try setting aside the party politics. It matters that our PM has publically made a statement supporting the rights of women, whilst also acknowledging trans issues, and that there is much work to do to ensure fairness and safety for all.

The most important thing is that people in power (and at the moment mostly Conservatives) are starting to speak up for womens rights in regards to the rise of trans rights debate. The more that do, the more others will be inclined to follow a lead. Most of the electorate are reasonable people. They are content for trans people to exist, to live their lives, to contribute to society. However, they do see the need for women to continue to have their hard fought rights preserved at the same time, in terms of space, dignity, fairness or safety.

I would happily vote Tory and suffer whatever is required under any other policy for as long as it takes

Same, my pension pot is quite substantial and will see me through the worst of it.

the biggest danger to women and girls in my lifetime then I'll vote for it thank you very much
Is it really though? As I see a possible threat to my bodily autonomy a much bigger danger.
Even '' GC'' posters are saying unlikely to happen, but unlikely isn't good enough.

"Is it really though? As I see a possible threat to my bodily autonomy a much bigger danger.
Even '' GC'' posters are saying unlikely to happen, but unlikely isn't good enough."

A woman was raped in hospital because of gender woo woo. It actually happened. And then she was disbelieved for a year because of gender woo woo.
Do you want that to happen to you? Your mum? Your sister? Your daughter?

@GoodJanetBadJanet

the biggest danger to women and girls in my lifetime then I'll vote for it thank you very much Is it really though? As I see a possible threat to my bodily autonomy a much bigger danger. Even '' GC'' posters are saying unlikely to happen, but unlikely isn't good enough.

It's absolutely the most important issue right now, if we don't fight this then future generations of women and girls will be to afraid to leave the house which will severely limit their earning potential and make them reliant on men again, which is the aim of the patriarchy and the reason they are pushing this.

@GoodJanetBadJanet

the biggest danger to women and girls in my lifetime then I'll vote for it thank you very much Is it really though? As I see a possible threat to my bodily autonomy a much bigger danger. Even '' GC'' posters are saying unlikely to happen, but unlikely isn't good enough.

I am not at all happy with prescribing hormone blockers to kids in the name of 'bodily autonomy'. I worry that Labour would bring in a more liberal approach to the medicalisation of children, along the lines of what happens in the US, where double mastectomies for girls with gender dysphoria happens at much younger ages than in the UK.

This 'bodily autonomy' argument sounds like it has safeguarding issues here as well, in terms of the age of consent.

Janet, doyou have daughters? Do you have an elderly mother?

If you do, I can't understand why you come onto these threads to scold other women.

I cant even think how upset my late mother would have been if she had woken up in a hospital bed next to a man. She lived with dementia for over a decade and would have been utterly confused to be told this was a woman so she should be kind and accepting.

@GoodJanetBadJanet

the biggest danger to women and girls in my lifetime then I'll vote for it thank you very much Is it really though? As I see a possible threat to my bodily autonomy a much bigger danger. Even '' GC'' posters are saying unlikely to happen, but unlikely isn't good enough.

But you’re going on about Gillick competence, which is a legal precedent for children and their ability to consent. Are you a child? And how does the maintenance of single sex spaces impact consent for mature minors? You’re talking about something completely unrelated that makes no sense.