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Boris Speaks!

458 replies

AndAsIfByMagic · 06/04/2022 12:23

Sky News.

He thinks it's unfair for biological men to compete in women's sports.

He says it's important to preserve women's spaces.

Says he has a lot to learn about the issue but we have to be sensible.

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ProfessorLayton1 · 07/04/2022 13:39

Do we even know about the long term effects of Puberty blockers and irreversible surgeries young children would be subjected to?

How can we even talk about Gillick competence if we can't provide answers to these questions? I am not aware of any large longitudinal research on PBs or Gender reassignment surgeries. Happy to be pointed in the right direction if there are any studies published in peer reviewed journals.

Should not be confusing these interventions with contraception or abortion!

GoodJanetBadJanet · 07/04/2022 13:49

Even were gillick to be somehow removed? That doesn't effect adults.
No fear of women losing birth control or abortion rights, not to mention we can simply go and get these things elsewhere, because adult
Oh well, that's OK then.
Never mind any pregnant teenagers.

Tiphaine · 07/04/2022 13:57

It’s desperate, desperate stuff indeed.

Yep. I'd have thought that barrel was well and truly scraped during the Bell case. Obviously not. Hmm

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 07/04/2022 14:04

Never mind any pregnant teenagers

I'm far more worried for pregnant teenagers if certain tax lawyers manage to push through their vision of ignoring whether a child can consent.

I don't want parents deciding for pregnant teenagers.

Terfydactyl · 07/04/2022 14:17

@GoodJanetBadJanet

*Even were gillick to be somehow removed? That doesn't effect adults. No fear of women losing birth control or abortion rights, not to mention we can simply go and get these things elsewhere, because adult* Oh well, that's OK then. Never mind any pregnant teenagers.
Gillick will cover the teens, plus like Ireland if it comes down to it (spoiler it wont) the adults can take the teens abroad for terminations.

This currently would effect around 2500 girls in the UK.

And that figure seems to be falling year on year.
Pretty sure we women are competent enough to sort this out for those 2500.
I'm certain we could think of some way to either stop the removal of gillick or find another route to girls accessing terminations.

Not that gillick is under threat.

I personally have seen current situation rolling on unabated for nearly 20 years, I've seen nothing to suggest gillick is going to be removed, but if I did, I'd vote for the party that said they would keep it, it would be my hill to die on and my solitary reason for voting for that party.

JC544D · 07/04/2022 21:41

His party has only been in power for 12 years.

JC544D · 07/04/2022 21:44

Why do people talk about like the current government only turned up yesterday? They've been making the rules for the last 12 years!

TheCurrywurstPrion · 07/04/2022 21:53

I was quite pleased to see the likes on this BBC article on Facebook. I assume, being the BBC, it’s about as neutral a source as exists at present. Almost 35 thousand positive reactions to only 2.3 thousand angry faces,

Boris Speaks!
Boris Speaks!
JC544D · 07/04/2022 22:02

TheCurrywurstPrion

You do realise he and his party have been making the rules for the last 12 years?

ProfessorLayton1 · 07/04/2022 22:16

Does it matter ?
He is only one who is speaking clearly about it, shame on Keir Starmer and the lot for throwing women under the bus !

GoodJanetBadJanet · 07/04/2022 22:18

He is only one who is speaking clearly about it
Yes, because he'll say anything that he thinks will get him votes.

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ResisterRex · 07/04/2022 22:25

Yes, because he'll say anything that he thinks will get him votes.

This again. Meanwhile, back at Labour HQ the brilliant plan seems to revolve around not picking up votes.

Awesome.

JC544D · 07/04/2022 22:28

So why hasn't he and his party done anything over the last 12 years in power?

GoodJanetBadJanet · 07/04/2022 22:31

Meanwhile, back at Labour HQ the brilliant plan seems to revolve around not picking up votes.
Plenty of people do still support Labour s vote though.
I do and most people I know.

GoodJanetBadJanet · 07/04/2022 22:32

So why hasn't he and his party done anything over the last 12 years in power?
Exactly, why now?

ResisterRex · 07/04/2022 22:33

The Tories now are listening. It's taken time but they are.

Labour had a golden opportunity to protect the Equality Act which they oversaw and threw it away with both hands. Not content with that, they made sure women who spoke out were isolated.

We know the story by this point.

MangyInseam · 07/04/2022 22:38

@GoodJanetBadJanet

It should be up to the parents of a 15 year old child to consent to an abortion

No, the 15 year old should get to decide whether they kee the baby.
Not the parent!
Then people say '' oh, but it doesnt mean for abortion. ''
It's made perfectly clear on this thread that once you've rolled back rights for trans people, there's people out there who are more than happy to roll back other rights affecting all women.
Fuck.
That.

If the 15 year old is not able to understand the risks of the procedure, she can't give consent.

That's not "rolling back rights." That is recognizing that consent is not possible if a person, of any age, can not understand the nature of the situation at a certain level.

It has to be done in relation to the nature of the individual medical treatment. A 14 year old can be able to consent to a hangnail removal, without being capable of consenting to a complex experimental cancer treatment. The latter doesn't mean the former is a problem.

And I'll just put out there, I have a friend who had several abortions under 16, as well as accessing contraception. You know what she really wishes? That her parents had been informed. Because she was in a situation that was too much for her, and the people who were not interested or able to help were the doctors at the clinic enabling that situation.

It's not so black and white as you seem to believe.

MangyInseam · 07/04/2022 22:43

@JC544D

So why hasn't he and his party done anything over the last 12 years in power?
Most of this wasn't even an issue 5 years ago. Haven't you been following the news? Two years ago many people still had no real idea what was going on. Because it was purposefully done in secret, and the realities purposefully obscured, and public discussion purposefully shut down.
vinylcrackle · 07/04/2022 22:49

If the 15 year old is not able to understand the risks of the procedure, she can't give consent

Totally agree, her parents should be making the decision.

Children shouldnt be going through life changing medical procedures without their parent's involvement.

Swayingpalmtrees · 08/04/2022 08:05

So why hasn't he and his party done anything over the last 12 years in power?
Exactly, why now?

Well, because like everyone else I guess they didn't want to rock the boat. Most normal people wish to be respectful of others, regardless, and if you Dean turns into Diana the consensus not so long ago was to respect and go with it.

It has only just really dawned on the mainstream that not on does Dean want his new name and style to be respected, but he also wants access to all parts of women's lives including the right to intimately examine women, to share cells with her and to use her changing rooms and showers and of course to outcompete her on the sports playing field. Dean has no intention of losing is male penis but he does like dressing up as a woman. He expects women to capitulate to his demands, because he can. That is a long way from where we started with respecting his name and pronouns and right to live as he wishes.

Mainstream now see this too, waking up to the danger. We are seeing a mass movement against it, the politics reflects the sea change in sentiment and feeling about this. Simple.

No one sent Labour the memo. Miliband waded in and started lecturing us about what it must be like for trans, without even mentioning what it must be like for a woman now at risk from rape on a hospital ward or a changing room. His omission was disgusting and anti women.

NotBadConsidering · 08/04/2022 08:43

The questions are always asked one way, never reversed. So we have

Why has Boris done nothing until now?

and never

Why are we living in a world where the prime minister or a country has to publicly state that males shouldn’t be playing in women’s sport?

That’s the question that needs to be asked. If sporting organisations and the Labour Party hadn’t been captured by ideology and kept their integrity, then Boris wouldn’t have even had to say a thing. But he has to, presumably with a heavy sigh, state the bleedin’ obvious because we live in a batshit world where stating reality gets you votes.

Signalbox · 08/04/2022 08:55

@GoodJanetBadJanet

He is only one who is speaking clearly about it Yes, because he'll say anything that he thinks will get him votes.
Do the people who think Boris was lying during that interview really think that BJ is a raging trans activist who thinks TWAW and only said what he said to get votes.

I know it’s hard to tell with BJ but on balance it seems more likely than not that he meant what he said.

tabbycatstripy · 08/04/2022 08:57

‘So why hasn't he and his party done anything over the last 12 years in power?’

I only knew this was an issue 3-4 years ago. I don’t really mind if TW use the women’s toilets. What I didn’t know was that they were being housed in female prisons, demanding passports with false statements on them and using them to ‘prove’ they were female. I didn’t know activists were bullying women who don’t accept people have literally changed sex. I’d never heard the terms ‘cis’ or ‘non-binary’ (not that non-binary bothers me - but as Johnson said, these concepts are novel). I had no idea people were transitioning kids.

I imagine Johnson (like me) was happy with the consensus we reached decades ago that some people transition physically and socially and we are all very polite about it.

It’s obviously in the last 5-10 years that the activists have taken a grip and pushed holistic societal changes most people don’t want.

TheNameOfTheRoses · 08/04/2022 08:58

So why hasn't he and his party done anything over the last 12 years in power?
Exactly, why now?

Very simply because that position works for most of the conservatives as well as a lot of other people, women mainly.
The conservatives have lost a lot of votes just now thanks to party gate etc… it’s just a nice way for them to look more attractive.

And oh there are some elections in may too…

Don’t look further. With any other PM, I would have discussed their ideology etc… But BJ and co are only interested in staying in power with little regards for ethics or ideology.

Plus, as usual, I’d wonder if they can be trusted in their position anyway. They’ve gone back in many points of their manifesto. They’ve gone back on the reversion therapy for LGBT (twice). I can see them moving back from that too.