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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Breaking news - Emily won't compete

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Doyoumind · 30/03/2022 19:29

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/60934099

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DERFDogmaExlusionary · 30/03/2022 20:02

Oh wow

""We have now been informed by the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) that under their current guidelines Emily is not eligible to participate in this event.""

sacredfeminina · 30/03/2022 20:03

Its unbelievable they do not even mention women's right to fair competitionin the article. It's literally about men competing or not, as decided by men. Its like women and womens sports are just the backdrop to some manly man important play going on in the front.

OvaHere · 30/03/2022 20:03

@Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky

Yes definitely Ova. EB isn’t out because British cycling realised they’re being unfair, they’re out because Eb didn’t follow the rules allowing them to compete

EB will just wait until they’ve completed what’s required & then race. It’s still ludicrously unfair

Exactly. This is far from over.
Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 30/03/2022 20:04

@DERFDogmaExlusionary

Oh wow

""We have now been informed by the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) that under their current guidelines Emily is not eligible to participate in this event.""

I’d love to see that email or to have been on that phone call!
IvyTwines · 30/03/2022 20:05

It is being noted on twitter that there is no mention of 'women' or 'female' in British Cycling's very reluctant statement.

OvaHere · 30/03/2022 20:06

@IvyTwines

It is being noted on twitter that there is no mention of 'women' or 'female' in British Cycling's very reluctant statement.
No, which is why I don't think this is them seeing the light and recognising their abuse of women.
OatSprout · 30/03/2022 20:08

It’s not exactly crystal clear why though is it. Is it inferring that EB’s testosterone levels haven’t been lowered for long enough? Or is it something new? Spectacularly unhelpful from the BBC as usual on trans issues.

The Times has it but behind a paywall www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-cyclist-emily-bridges-barred-from-competition-by-uci-h2nv06f6w

MiniatureHotdog · 30/03/2022 20:08

Good. Though as pp have said they still don't seem to get it.

No men belong in women's sport. Ever.

2Rebecca · 30/03/2022 20:09

Really pleased. Im a BC member and will leave if this madness continues

Doyoumind · 30/03/2022 20:09

I'm not clear what British Cycling think the issue around non binary inclusion is. No one is querying their inclusion. If they have an issue taking part as their biolgical sex what other solution is there but a third category?

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Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 30/03/2022 20:13

Sean ingle has written it up fir the guardian. He has included how EB has continued ti compete in mens races. Apparently there was talk of a boycott

www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/30/trans-cyclist-emily-bridges-banned-from-racing-at-british-meeting-after-uci-ruling

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/03/2022 20:13

One of the positives is that this has encouraged a number of past and current elite sportswomen to speak out. Hopefully there's now a critical mass of public outrage to ensure that they are well supported if the usual suspects or even captured governing bodies try to attack them.

OvaHere · 30/03/2022 20:14

[quote OatSprout]It’s not exactly crystal clear why though is it. Is it inferring that EB’s testosterone levels haven’t been lowered for long enough? Or is it something new? Spectacularly unhelpful from the BBC as usual on trans issues.

The Times has it but behind a paywall www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-cyclist-emily-bridges-barred-from-competition-by-uci-h2nv06f6w[/quote]
Article despite the headline being about Bridges is almost entirely about Lia Thomas. I think they don't know much beyond the initial British Cycling statement.

There is a lot of stuff in the article about new proposed rules from Fina - the swimming governing body (UK or US I'm not sure?)

Fina, the swimming governing body, is set to vote on a new policy in June and a source close to those devising the rules told The Times that under the proposed regulations Thomas — who won the 500 yards event at the NCAA championship — “would not have been able to compete with women . . . and the female category will be protected from athletes who have male advantages from male puberty and development”.

Brent Nowicki, the former counsel for the World Anti-Doping Agency and now the executive director of Fina, told The Times that Fina wanted to set “an industry standard” for all sports. Senior sources emphasised that the intention is not to exclude a swimmer such as Lia Thomas from the sport but to “make sure that elite athletes with male advantage do not get to compete in the female category”

The proposed policy will insist that trans-women undergo at least 36 months of testosterone reduction therapy, rather than a year, which is the present precedent. Testosterone levels will also be only one measure of physical advantage, with the rules designed to ensure “prior physical development of the athlete as a male, as mitigated by any medical intervention, does not impact fair play in the female category”. Elite status is likely to start from the age of 12, about the time of puberty.

DogsAndGin · 30/03/2022 20:14

Ahhh I’m thankful for that!

Walkingtheplank · 30/03/2022 20:15

Good.

OvaHere · 30/03/2022 20:15

[quote OatSprout]It’s not exactly crystal clear why though is it. Is it inferring that EB’s testosterone levels haven’t been lowered for long enough? Or is it something new? Spectacularly unhelpful from the BBC as usual on trans issues.

The Times has it but behind a paywall www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-cyclist-emily-bridges-barred-from-competition-by-uci-h2nv06f6w[/quote]
Also share token for the article

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/88e0a5e0-b026-11ec-8b8c-0207c0fd6104?shareToken=483d82a8fc6c34bba1514658f3bedcd3

OatSprout · 30/03/2022 20:16

Thank you Ova

OvaHere · 30/03/2022 20:18

@Doyoumind

I'm not clear what British Cycling think the issue around non binary inclusion is. No one is querying their inclusion. If they have an issue taking part as their biolgical sex what other solution is there but a third category?
Presumably they don't like competing in events called men's or women's and wouldn't be happy with a medal or record that said Women's Gold etc.

That's all I can think of and tbh my reaction would be get over it if that were the case.

bellinisurge · 30/03/2022 20:19

Good news. More sunlight too

334bu · 30/03/2022 20:21

Good news but still just a delay.

ResisterRex · 30/03/2022 20:21

This particular decision is good as it protects females. I'm interested to see what's next, as seems to be implied by Sajad Javid:

twitter.com/unherd/status/1509221580097957898

Full interview online tomorrow.

OvaHere · 30/03/2022 20:21

@MrsOvertonsWindow

One of the positives is that this has encouraged a number of past and current elite sportswomen to speak out. Hopefully there's now a critical mass of public outrage to ensure that they are well supported if the usual suspects or even captured governing bodies try to attack them.
I've seen a number have now spoken. Really heartening to see. Seen a few sportsmen supporting the women speaking out too.
MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/03/2022 20:23

The article about swimming is also good news. It appears that Thomas has done much to demonstrate the unfairness and that the proposed guidelines for swimming will bring a halt to much of this.
The brilliant Nancy Hogshead-Maker Nancy Hogshead-Makar, the American triple Olympic champion of 1984 who founded the Champion Women advocacy group, launched a petition calling for biological sex to determine elite sports categorisation. According to The Times, among the 6,000 signatories are 300 athletes whose names, including Davies, read like a Who’s Who of swimming history.
Nancy, who was involved in drawing up the new swimming rules has told the Times: I think that showing ‘no advantage’ is impossible so there’s the high bar: no boy grown through puberty to man can possibly be allowed into a women’s sport like swimming on race day

OatSprout · 30/03/2022 20:29

From the Guardian
However on Thursday evening the UCI ruled that Bridges was not in compliance with its regulations as she is still registered as a male cyclist - and cannot compete as a woman until her current UCI ID expires.

So a technicality that BC would surely have been fully aware of, yet they were supporting EB to compete anyway?

Absolute bastards.

Where is their care and compassion for women? We are totally sidelined.

Sadly also rather typical that under that Guardian article all the related content is news of male cyclists. Goes back to Pogacar’s Strade Bianche win but not one mention of any women’s news or successes such as Elisa Balsamo’s 3 recent wins, and Lotte Kopecky’s brilliant Strade Bianche win. In fact there isn’t one Guardian article on women’s cycling since 22nd October last year.

It’s like women’s sport doesn’t exist.

Signalbox · 30/03/2022 20:29

Thomas was backed by an open letter from 300 swimmers, including rival Erica Sullivan - but her inclusion also faced opposition from another competitor, Hungary's Reka Gyorgy, as well as Florida governor Ron DeSantis.

The BBC know how to spin a story don't they?
300 for inclusion 2 against.