MP comes out as transgender

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A male Tory MP has released a statement on Twitter that they are transgender, and also that a couple of years ago they were raped.
It's a brave statement.

It is complicated as the MP said he wants to be trans, although he did say he had always felt in the wrong body etc so probably in today's terminology he is trans and wants to change gender but has not started the process. I suspect the idea if you cannot just decide you are trans if you are not just as you cannot (in my view) decide you have red hair if you do not have it etc etc.

it is all a can of worms. All I want is that the 50% of the UK which is female are not shut up and not disadvantaged by trans people as our numbers as women are huge and the number of trains is much smaller so there is a huge greater good in protecting women.

[quote lifeturnsonadime]Well even Peter Tatchell is disputing his trans status.

Which is very interesting. It doesn't seem he is the right kind of trans. Not to do with the sugar daddy business but his stance on refugees and tax avoidance. Oh and reading the comments on the twitter feed some people don't think Tories should be trans.

twitter.com/PeterTatchell/status/1509224306110308365[/quote]
But yesterday AM Peter thought Jamie was brave coming out and used it as an opportunity to demand changed to GRA.

twitter.com/PeterTatchell/status/1509144697956192259?cxt=HHwWhsC-xezGx_EpAAAA

All sorts of people are men. Similarly all sorts of people might see themselves as trans.

Vulnerable women need the protection of single sex spaces.

@SolasAnla

lifeturnsonadime

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Politely pointing out that even Postulant of Twitter screen shots are allowed post on any thread.

Ní thuigim , Solas. I'm intrigued now!

@Turningpurple

I am quite surprised how quickly down the news pages this story has dropped tbh. Expected this to hang around as a main story for a couple of days.

Yes, I noticed that the Guardian - who you'd expect to be trumpeting the momentous news of the UK's first transgender MP - let this story slip well down their page, to the point of being virtually hidden. Odd, he?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

An elected female in London council (???) did that if circlegendered (??) Circungender (??); a woman who feels like a man, who feels like a woman qualifies.

Circumgender. The photo of her announcing it to the other members is priceless, due to their expressions.

Perhaps Wallis is identifying as a trans man?

Odd, he?

As observed on the Peter Tatchell thread, it looks like trans activists are realising Wallis is the wrong kind of poster boy to be first, and so to get such a high profile, and he appears to be doing the wrong kind of "trans".

@FacebookPhotos

I’m again shocked at rape apologists on the feminism board. For avoidance of doubt, I think the following:

• when any person says they were raped, I believe them. I’m not a juror, and I know the stats regarding malicious accusation of rape, so I believe the people who tell me they’ve been raped. That might mean I’m taken in by a vanishingly small percentage of people who lie about it, but I’d rather take that risk than wrongly disbelieve someone telling the truth. Especially when there is no named assailant (and so no individual is actually harmed by me believing the victim).
• conditional consent is an actual thing. If a person refuses sex for any reason and the man doesn’t accept the refusal, then he’s a rapist and the person a rape victim. It doesn’t matter why the person refuses (lack of condom, discovery of too much chest hair, whatever), it was still rape.
• you don’t have to physically fight someone off to prove you were raped. Many people go into a “freeze” mode under extreme stress, where they don’t fight back and don’t run away.
• being alone with a man is not consent. It doesn’t matter if you are male, female, gay, straight, married to the man or if he’s a stranger. Being alone with a man, even naked in a bed at 1am, is not consent.
• I don’t think that saying “but you didn’t believe her when she said she was assaulted” is a justification for not believing someone else. I don’t care whether any person (TRA, Wallis, a random on the street) didn’t believe JKR. I believe rape and domestic violence victims.

I would have thought feminists would agree with these things. I accept that it is very hard indeed when the person telling the public about their rape or mental health problems does so alongside a litany of worrying behaviour. But I think it is important to separate them. It is perfectly possible to believe all of the following:

• Wallis suffers from gender dysphoria
• Wallis was raped
• Wallis showed himself to be an unfit person to be an MP when he owned/ran a sugar daddy website
• Wallis fled the scene of a car crash
• people who flee the scene of a car crash should face stiffer penalties

I do not care about a man whose business was in arrange girls to be raped.

Genuinely don't. I don't have a fiddle small enough.

Let alone the whole 'I'm trans actually I want to be don't look at the other things' nonsense. Aye mate, right. Course you are.

I read that he is not changing his pronouns nor his appearance. Reported by Graham Linehan. Not sure if this is true.

It's true, it's in his statement. Beeb was initially avoiding pronouns at all ("the Conservative", "the MP") but now it's using he/him.

Yes it’s true.
www.jamiewallisbridgend.com/press-releases/follow-up-statement-from-jamie-wallis-mp

The MP said this yesterday.

@Dinosaurhearmeroar

I read that he is not changing his pronouns nor his appearance. Reported by Graham Linehan. Not sure if this is true.

Yes that is true. He says so in a statement on his twitter account.

twitter.com/JamieWallisMP/status/1509122636810440709

Which is why I'm wondering how he is trans is he was a man before his declaration and wishes to remain one after it.

I do not care about a man whose business was in arrange girls to be raped.

Harsh, but I regard this MP as part of the same group as Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew. (Supplying young people to wealthy powerful men for sex).
I'm not sure how much sympathy that Epstein or Prince Andrew would get here if they had alleged that they were raped.
I am however pretty certain how I would feel if my children were sucked into this vile trade by pimping scum like Wallis.
(Please note the word alleged is taken from several of the mainstream press reports about this)

Which is why I'm wondering how he is trans is he was a man before his declaration and wishes to remain one after it.

Are you suggesting you can't be a trans man simply because you're male? Why should anyone be restricted from being who they want to be simply because of their sex assigned at birth?

He's got as much right to be trans and a man as anyone. You can't gatekeep and say only those assigned female at birth can be trans men. That would be rather cisnormative. (I think. It would certainly be something multi-syllabic and problematic, anyway).

Which is why I'm wondering how he is trans is he was a man before his declaration and wishes to remain one after it.

It's because as the term has evolved now, "trans" doesn't have to do anything with bodily changes, even via drugs, but is more a matter of self-perception. It's classic self-ID and is what people here have been warning about for years.

There's nothing wrong with that as such. Unfortunately though, all of the changes to law and society that were eventually accepted/imposed that were supposed to apply to transsexuals with Gender Recogntion Certificates have now been applied without reassessment to the new brand of "trans as an identity and nothing more" people. It's a Trojan Horse situation.

@NecessaryScene

Which is why I'm wondering how he is trans is he was a man before his declaration and wishes to remain one after it.

Are you suggesting you can't be a trans man simply because you're male? Why should anyone be restricted from being who they want to be simply because of their sex assigned at birth?

He's got as much right to be trans and a man as anyone. You can't gatekeep and say only those assigned female at birth can be trans men. That would be rather cisnormative. (I think. It would certainly be something multi-syllabic and problematic, anyway).

mind boggling.

@Grumpyoldpersonwithcats

I do not care about a man whose business was in arrange girls to be raped.

Harsh, but I regard this MP as part of the same group as Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew. (Supplying young people to wealthy powerful men for sex).
I'm not sure how much sympathy that Epstein or Prince Andrew would get here if they had alleged that they were raped.
I am however pretty certain how I would feel if my children were sucked into this vile trade by pimping scum like Wallis.
(Please note the word alleged is taken from several of the mainstream press reports about this)

This in spades.

“ Now I’m identifying as Trans you can’t do anything or say anything negative about me”

In my opinion a seedy little man playing for the sympathy vote .

So I guess the next evolution of this ideology is everyone who is due to be arrested/outed/whatevered announces they are Trans and that will put a stop to all future arrests, prosecutions, jail time as due to their being no discussion about how to handle this, they will just not be able to cope and let everyone off scott free.

Well, that should sort society out nicely.

Absolute hilarious that his trans status is being disputed by transactivists, on the basis of his personality.

@Datun

Absolute hilarious that his trans status is being disputed by transactivists, on the basis of his personality.

I mean, finally!!!

@NecessaryScene

Which is why I'm wondering how he is trans is he was a man before his declaration and wishes to remain one after it.

Are you suggesting you can't be a trans man simply because you're male? Why should anyone be restricted from being who they want to be simply because of their sex assigned at birth?

He's got as much right to be trans and a man as anyone. You can't gatekeep and say only those assigned female at birth can be trans men. That would be rather cisnormative. (I think. It would certainly be something multi-syllabic and problematic, anyway).

I realise this is likely to be a wind up but the brave new world is now so utterly deranged that I can't be certain. I saw people complaining that they had "not consented" to puberty a little while ago, apparently with sincerity.

So on the off chance...

A trans man is a female person with a male gender identity. So no, you can't be a trans man if you are a man, because you are not and never will be a female person. And your sex is not "assigned" at birth by doctors and officials making a choice. It's there, objectively, and it is observed and recorded.

In the words of someone responding to the non-consensual puberty havers: unfortunately, biology makes everyone its slave and doesn't ask for consent.

It's a Trojan Horse situation.

Or, as Helen Joyce put it, it's a "1=0" situation. Soon as you permit that in one little corner of mathematics, you'd be amazed how fast every single other bit of mathematics suddenly stops working.

This is related to the Principle of explosion.

If you simultaneously accept as true that women are adult human females, and some males can be women, then logical deduction makes EVERY other statement true. Unicorns exist.

@nauticant

Which is why I'm wondering how he is trans is he was a man before his declaration and wishes to remain one after it.

It's because as the term has evolved now, "trans" doesn't have to do anything with bodily changes, even via drugs, but is more a matter of self-perception. It's classic self-ID and is what people here have been warning about for years.

There's nothing wrong with that as such. Unfortunately though, all of the changes to law and society that were eventually accepted/imposed that were supposed to apply to transsexuals with Gender Recogntion Certificates have now been applied without reassessment to the new brand of "trans as an identity and nothing more" people. It's a Trojan Horse situation.

Its lucky he managed to fit in being married and having children and setting up young people to be exploited by older people for money before he became trans though, isn't it!

Imagine if he had found out he was trans before all of this! Or is he saying he regrets having his own children perhaps? Because although while it might not have affected him, it certainly would have affected the available pool of women willing to marry and have children with him! And obviously he wouldn't have been lying to his poor wife about his identify all these years now would he?

@DrSbaitso

Necessary knows, she is using their arguments, not ours. If a trans man can only be a female, and females can be men, then anyone can be anything and that is the point.

I'm sorry, @NecessaryScene, I think you were being ironic. I didn't get much sleep last night. Just ignore me. I'm over here, rocking in the corner, because I used to understand irony but then the loonies got the authority and the absurd became the truth and now I'm just waiting to be hauled off to Room 101.