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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

MP comes out as transgender

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poshme · 30/03/2022 09:25

A male Tory MP has released a statement on Twitter that they are transgender, and also that a couple of years ago they were raped.
It's a brave statement.

MP comes out as transgender
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OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg · 30/03/2022 17:20

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nauticant · 30/03/2022 17:25

This is now being discussed on PM on Radio 4. I don't expect much illumination.

balalake · 30/03/2022 17:40

I'd hope by the statement made by Jamie Wallis today, perhaps the justice system will start to take rape seriously, as it does not do know. Though it should not take such suffering to happen to an MP for this to happen.

FrancescaContini · 30/03/2022 17:51

@EsmaCannonball

Makes me nostalgic for the days when dodgy MPs used to find god. This is the type that I think of as Tabula Rasa Trans; everything I did before was because I didn't want to be a man; everything I did before can be forgotten because I am now a woman; everyone who judges me now is motivated by hate.

I'm guessing someone who made money out of a sugar daddy website has a very specific, degrading, sexualized view of what a woman is.

My thoughts exactly.
Wrapitupgood · 30/03/2022 17:55

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WearyLady · 30/03/2022 18:02

Ditto. I smell a rat

PaddleBoardingMomma · 30/03/2022 18:05

Pretty sad state of affairs when the trans card has been played so hard and fast in recent years that when I read something like his statement I just sigh and think.... here we go again.

His history in dealings with adult websites makes me think he has most likely fetishised being a woman to some degree, but that's just conjecture.

And I'm sorry if I've misspoken or used the wrong terms or seem cold, I'm just seriously very tired of it all. I'm at the point where it's hard to give a shit if someone is offended because I get it wrong, but isn't offended that women are, yet again, being trampled over so the men can take up more space 🤷🏼‍♀️

SolasAnla · 30/03/2022 18:10

@lifeturnsonadime

In case you think I'm taking the piss to irritate you I'm not. I'm just applying what I've learned from trans activists. I don't agree with this stuff by the way.

I don't think you are taking the piss.

I'm just really struggling to understand:

a) what his declaration of being trans means when he is retaining his pronouns and appearance, so on the face of it he was a man before he said he was a man and remains so. How is that trans?

b) why some posters think this is stunning and brave.

I just think words should have meaning. This is completely meaningless.

Is Canadian undocumented self id ( I am a woman) and Irish documented self ID legislation in action ( fill in an application form with I will live in the gender woman send it to the relevant government department and bingo )
poshme · 30/03/2022 18:14

Wow that private eye article is pretty damning.

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PaterPower · 30/03/2022 18:15

Did anyone actually listen to what was said on Today? Did they actually bother to dig into his background or was it all the usual “brave” BS?

pancakestastelikecrepe · 30/03/2022 19:27

The history of lies and grandiosity, coupled with profiting from hook up websites/dodgy businesses and evidence of risky behaviours (I'm taking about the car crash), make him sound like a narcissistic fetishist.
I'm very sorry he was raped and blackmailed - I sincerely hope he gets help as the sissy rabbit hole is a very dark one

happydappy2 · 30/03/2022 19:34

I'm waiting for politicians to explain exactly how a male transexual is a woman.

TheAbbotOfUnreason · 30/03/2022 19:43

The Stonewall trans umbrella is a broad church:

An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman, trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

I could probably declare myself trans, since I don’t feel like a woman (I just am one) but I don’t think that I feel like a man either as I have no idea what “feeling like a man” actually entails.

MMBaranova · 30/03/2022 20:06

Sometimes I feel like I am an MP. Not yet, but I might declare myself to be one on Monday.

This bloke seems very troubled. Some of his back story seems dodgy and he has clearly had some nasty experiences. I doubt he is a beacon for anything.

RobinWoodPrinceofLeaves · 30/03/2022 20:21

This seems similar to Kevin Spacey who came out as gay when facing criminal charges.

I think you need to separate the different incidents.

Being blackmailed is horrific and he did the right thing going to the police. It sounds like he was blackmailed for being a high profile figure running a sex prostitution website.

Coming out as trans is fine, but he will be a gay man rather than transgender.

He should have the law book thrown at him for the hit and run.

It’s strange how Kevin Spacy was pilloried for coming out as gay, whereas this chap is hailed as brave.

Charley50 · 30/03/2022 20:47

@RobinWoodPrinceofLeaves

This seems similar to Kevin Spacey who came out as gay when facing criminal charges.

I think you need to separate the different incidents.

Being blackmailed is horrific and he did the right thing going to the police. It sounds like he was blackmailed for being a high profile figure running a sex prostitution website.

Coming out as trans is fine, but he will be a gay man rather than transgender.

He should have the law book thrown at him for the hit and run.

It’s strange how Kevin Spacy was pilloried for coming out as gay, whereas this chap is hailed as brave.

Kevin Spacey was 'pilloried' for being a predator of vulnerable underage boys, or very young men, not for being gay!
Charley50 · 30/03/2022 20:50

I find the whole thing cynical, sadly. I would have much more respect for him coming out as gay, than as trans. It's just a way of shutting people up right now.

ResilienceWanker · 30/03/2022 21:02

There's definitely a lot going on. To me, it sounds like he's having a bit of a breakdown, and I think deserves sympathy and a degree of gentle handling for that...The fact he published his statement at 2am doesn't give huge amounts of confidence it's well considered and was published fully in sound mind. He's obviously standing by it in the light of day - as he should. He's big enough and responsible enough to realise its impact. But it does sound a bit like a cry for help, with all its different aspects (long-standing gender dysphoria, PTSD, rape, car crash and running away, blackmail and so on). It may be pre-empting something else, possibly (an approach by a journalist or something threatening to expose him further?), but it doesn't sound like a statement put out in a prepared manner to make any sort of political point, a controlled "coming out" or specifically justifying the hit and run or anything. I suppose it could be described as brave (or possibly foolish, or possibly attention-seeking, or maybe a mixture of several adjectives) - It's definitely something that not many MPs would do for many reasons and saying you are "not OK" and admitting to having been raped, blackmailed and various mental health issues in such a public way must have been pretty excruciating - so I suppose "brave" is fair.

I think it is interesting the way he "claims" his "trans-ness" or "want to be trans-ness". He doesn't say he considers himself a woman, or wants to present as a woman or use women's spaces. He, rightly, points out he is the same person today as yesterday, and feels no urgent need to present himself in any different way just because he is now "out" publicly. We don't know how his trans identity will manifest- and it's possible he doesn't either, or at least not fully. It sounds as if he had no intention of coming out as trans before the end of his term (maybe he always intended just one term as an MP, and then move on?) - so he possibly has no strong need to be identified in any way other than he is currently, and was happy to wait before exploring it further at a later stage of his life?

According to the recent Scottish census, a "trans identity" is just when your gender identity and sex "registered at birth" don't match Confused (no, I don't understand it either). So maybe he just doesn't have a "male" gender identity (whatever that is). Maybe he is agender, or pangender, or cat gender, or anything else, where he wouldn't need to necessarily change appearance or pronouns, or "identify as a woman" to overcome the dysphoria? Who knows? He will almost certainly may well eventually want to explore that in public - and at that point we can object to the issues that raises - but at the moment he hasn't said he wants that, so I don't think there is anything wrong with extending sympathy and support without automatically being suspicious of his intentions.

The other allegations about him re ownership of the sugar daddy website and other dodgy businesses don't reflect well on him - but I don't think are linked to this statement. He can be criticised for them of course, but if he is in a fragile state at the moment, I think it is a bit cruel to start digging all this up now. Yes - he's put it all out in the public domain, so should expect it, and does deserve it. But now may not be the time for him to be called on to justify everything - especially if nothing illegal has occurred that wasn't known about and addressed previously....

Re the dodgy PhD - someone with his name was awarded a PhD by Cardiff Uni in 2015 in panspermia - whatever the hell that is. It may not be him, of course, but I don't see any reason to doubt that.

Yes - I do feel dirty defending a, likely pretty unsavoury, Tory MP. But I think even unsavoury tory MPs are allowed moments of crisis where some leeway is given. I hope he takes a bit of time out to recover and regroup a bit, without getting thrown into "being the UKs first trans MP" and all the various groups who will lobby him on that basis - which I'm not sure he's really up for.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 30/03/2022 21:04

Re the dodgy PhD - someone with his name was awarded a PhD by Cardiff Uni in 2015 in panspermia - whatever the hell that is. It may not be him, of course, but I don't see any reason to doubt that.

It is him. It's listed in his wikipedia entry.

Panspermia hypotheses propose (for example) that microscopic life-forms which can survive the effects of space (such as extremophiles) can become trapped in debris ejected into space after collisions between planets and small Solar System bodies that harbor life.[10] Panspermia studies concentrate not on how life began, but on methods that may distribute it in the Universe.

GCAcademic · 30/03/2022 21:06

@MangyInseam

Maybe he is queering teh word "trans"?
It’s only a matter of time before someone does, and the logical consequence of this whole movement.

I’ve always thought that a whole bunch of adult human females self-identifying as trans women could bring the juggernaut to a crashing halt.

Maskless · 30/03/2022 21:08

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Signalbox · 30/03/2022 21:14

This is of course totally wrong, rude, and a terrible breach of trust, etc. We'd all be furious if it happened to us women.

It's rape.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 30/03/2022 21:18

@Signalbox

This is of course totally wrong, rude, and a terrible breach of trust, etc. We'd all be furious if it happened to us women.

It's rape.

Agreed.

I don't know what details have been seen by other people but the original statement called it rape. There was no consent to unprotected sex and consent is the issue. In addition, the statement implies wider effects.

GCAcademic · 30/03/2022 21:18

According to the victim himself: he is gay and he went online to a sex hookup site to find a stranger to have casual anal sex with. He made contact with a man and both were more than willing to engage in intercourse, the MP in question being on the "receiving" role. He was ready and eager: he sought this activity. Where it's gone wrong is that the casual hookup partner did not wear a condom as requested.

This is of course totally wrong, rude, and a terrible breach of trust, etc. We'd all be furious if it happened to us women.

I believe that is a bit more than just rude or wrong. In law that counts as rape. And rightly so.

Signalbox · 30/03/2022 21:22

However, I don't think it can be treated as though he were raped by brute force against his will and left traumatised and needing and counselling.

Honestly think about it. If the person who raped him had HIV or some other STD he'd need a lot more than counselling!