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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

MP comes out as transgender

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poshme · 30/03/2022 09:25

A male Tory MP has released a statement on Twitter that they are transgender, and also that a couple of years ago they were raped.
It's a brave statement.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/03/2022 14:12

It doesn't sound like he's going to be doing much at all to "transition". He/him pronouns, no change in appearance.

twitter.com/JamieWallisMP/status/1509122636810440709?s=20&t=slHzSy3KEV1lOs_e9Fz6OQ

Innocenta · 30/03/2022 14:12

@dopenguinsdance Why are you putting the rape in quotation marks? That's pretty nasty. There's no reason to not believe Jamie.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/03/2022 14:14

Fascinating how he is believed instantly yet women aren't....

Isn't it. Remember Wi Spa?

lifeturnsonadime · 30/03/2022 14:14

[quote Ereshkigalangcleg]It doesn't sound like he's going to be doing much at all to "transition". He/him pronouns, no change in appearance.

twitter.com/JamieWallisMP/status/1509122636810440709?s=20&t=slHzSy3KEV1lOs_e9Fz6OQ[/quote]
No but he's uttered the magic word.

He's made himself safe.

IvyTwines · 30/03/2022 14:14

American twitter is waking up now: 'next up will be Prince Transdrew'

Blossomtoes · 30/03/2022 14:15

@Pluvia

Jamie sounds like a liability to his party and his constituency.
Jamie’s majority is tiny. I very much doubt they’ll be an MP after the next election.
Comefromaway · 30/03/2022 14:15

@Hoppinggreen

They is fine as a pronoun I think either as a choice or of someone is unsure which one to use We don’t need to make up any more words for it
He has stated that for the time being he is continuing to use he/him pronouns
witheringrowan · 30/03/2022 14:15

@CarbonelCat Jamie also claims to have completed a Phd in Astrobiology, awarded by Cardiff University in 2014. However, Jamie's supervisor, NC Wickramasinghe left Cardiff in 2011, and it is unclear who the external examiners were. twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1229875059197698061/photo/1

Slothtoes · 30/03/2022 14:16

Wow the deletions are really taking off here. I’m still confused about this statement and what is actually being said by the MP.

Is it correct from what has been said that the MP is identifying as ‘trans’ (identifying into a group, a status?) rather than identifying into a masculine, feminine or NB gender identity, or for that matter, any of the many other gender identity options?
Given that the MP has not mentioned any other intentions related to their personal gender identity.

I don’t think anyone can say that it’s any less meaningful to ‘identify as trans’ than it would be to subjectively identify as anything else, is it?

I mean, isn’t the whole point of gender identity politics that it’s an umbrella with a lot of personal labels of gender identities in it and we’re all free to choose one or several or just on Tuesday mornings?

So if it was said that it’s not legitimate to just ‘identify as trans’, that would be to say people should have to change themselves in some way, to somehow earn their title of trans person, which is really not what the orthodoxy says is required.

SoupDragon · 30/03/2022 14:18

@happydappy2

Was anyone convicted of rape? Or is it an allegation?

Fascinating how he is believed instantly yet women aren't....

Why does it matter whether it was an "allegation" or a conviction? If it were a woman it would be all "I believe her"
WeWillLookBack · 30/03/2022 14:19

Ok. He has .....

  1. Part-owned the sugar daddy.com website
  2. Lied about part-owning the sugar daddy website
  3. Made a number of very questionable decisions in his personal life, opening himself up to blackmail
  4. His campaign manager, Gordon Lewis was convicted of threatening to kill his own son
  5. He is listed as a Director on 10+ companies, of which have over 800 complaints with trading standards
  6. Has a very dodgy 'Phd'....if there is one
  7. Crashed a car - and left the scene. Fined £270 points and 3 points. Obviously could not establish if drink or drugs were involved, as he had done a runner
  8. Comes out as trans ....
  9. Update statement - will continue to use He/Him pronouns and dress the same.

Stunning and brave.

NecessaryScene · 30/03/2022 14:20

A lot of this reminds me of the game Mornington Crescent. Winner is whoever declares "Mornington Crescent" first.

What that means, why you say it when you do and why anyone else didn't do it first is a bit of a mystery.

Entertaining, nonetheless.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/03/2022 14:20

“ Wallis said there had been a “close call” where their trans identity had nearly been made public in April 2020 by a blackmailer who sent photographs to family members.

The blackmailer demanded £50,000 to keep quiet, Wallis said, but after the police got involved, the perpetrator pleaded guilty and was sentenced to two years and nine months in prison.”

What exactly was this "trans identity" in Aug 2020 when according to him it's all so "new" to him now and he doesn't intend to change his pronouns or appearance?

lifeturnsonadime · 30/03/2022 14:23

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EmmaGrundyForPM · 30/03/2022 14:23

I'm very sorry he's been raped.

However, it doesn't change the fact that he's a pimp, that he fled the scene of an accident whilst (allegedly) being unfit to drive, and that his business dealings are shady to say the least.

"Coming out as trans" doesn't mean anything. Its certainly not Brave.

Innocenta · 30/03/2022 14:24

Someone can be a bad person and still do something brave.

happydappy2 · 30/03/2022 14:24

Soupdragon women are routinely disbelieved when they report a rape-as you well know. Look at the awfully low conviction rates-yet this man is instantly believed-I wonder why that is-oh yes, he's a man.

lassupthebrew · 30/03/2022 14:25

@EishetChayil

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Right above your reply,

But transsexuals do not transition into a movement. The GRA was created to help us do what we have always done - escape the trauma and live ordinary lives not calling attention to ourselves. As that was the point of transitoning not to BE trans.

So we do not have orgamisations and campagns. Not seeking any rights we did not have already. And there are a very small number as the GRA figures show. One in 100,000 people.

That left a vacuum for those who wanted some of that and who are a mixed bag of fethishists, cross dressers and others with issues driven by playing on their insecurity via contagion on the internet.

Calling this trans and creating a club to join has attracted lots of young girls and older men who see this as a way to address their very different issues in ways that in some instances (with those with AGP especially) offer a way to look very different than what the public woud perceive if called what it was.

It is a ruse that has steamrollered over society and thankfully women are fighting hard,

More transsexuals are waking up too but most remain protective of their families as we kind of sit in the middle when the trans movement us so extreme and it has understandably driven women into equally extreme reaction. So they are just frankly scared to death of saying anything.

But they are going to have to do or we will be effectively eradicated.

GCAcademic · 30/03/2022 14:26

@IvyTwines

American twitter is waking up now: 'next up will be Prince Transdrew'
I suppose that would be one way of Andrew dealing with his PR problem. The most effective way, in fact.
Hoppinggreen · 30/03/2022 14:27

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Bambooshoot · 30/03/2022 14:27

@Innocenta

Someone can be a bad person and still do something brave.
Indeed they can, but this guy certainly hasn’t.
BoreOfWhabylon · 30/03/2022 14:30

[quote Innocenta]@dopenguinsdance Why are you putting the rape in quotation marks? That's pretty nasty. There's no reason to not believe Jamie. [/quote]
Other than the fact that he's a proven liar.

FacebookPhotos · 30/03/2022 14:30

Crashed a car - and left the scene. Fined £270 and 3 points. Obviously could not establish if drink or drugs were involved, as he had done a runner

This problem has come up a few times on general MN boards. People who cause an accident when they are under the influence of drugs or alcohol get a lesser punishment if they run away than if they stay to face the consequences. Including those who kill someone while drunk and just drive off. It is obscene and the crime of fleeing the scene of an accident needs to have far harsher punishments IMO.

Innocenta · 30/03/2022 14:31

@Bambooshoot Yes, he has (I used 'they' pronouns earlier but I understand Jamie wants to use he/him), by almost any ordinary understanding of what 'brave' means.

I do not like basically anything else Jamie has done in his life. The sugar daddy stuff, being a Tory, supporting Boris... None of this is something I favour or support. But it's painfully unnuanced to unilaterally decide that this coming out is 'not brave' just because you think 'stunning and brave' is over applied.

It may be over applied. That doesn't make this coming out not brave. If you seriously think that this was not a scary thing to do, I contend you're being a bit naive.

EndaDay · 30/03/2022 14:32

His majority may be tiny now but I won't be surprised if his brave announcement means that he garners more votes in the next election.

The trans activists and their allies-sadly, a surprising number of those who call themselves allies in their own erasure-are young women-will see to that.