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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

MP comes out as transgender

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poshme · 30/03/2022 09:25

A male Tory MP has released a statement on Twitter that they are transgender, and also that a couple of years ago they were raped.
It's a brave statement.

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hogangog · 30/03/2022 13:34

@Clymene i'm just saying that that's what was reported at the time. there has been no proof of drink or drugs, because like you said he left the scene. not defending him btw, i'm just saying that that's how it was reported at the time.

Clymene · 30/03/2022 13:38

I think it was probably both @hogangog! He said he couldn't attend meet his constituents because he had Covid and then crashed his car into a lamppost and waddled off.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 30/03/2022 13:41

So he wants to be trans.
Does this mean he wants to be a woman? If so, why not say so?
Or perhaps he wants to be a trans woman. So that's different from wanting to be a woman.

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Lovelyricepudding · 30/03/2022 13:43

@ExMachinaDeus

Hmm, another man coming out as trans and then we find out he's been involved with sleaze. Sticking to the script so far.

Hmmm yes. And the 'hook up' suggests they're homosexual - a biological male attracted to other biological males?

"when I chose to say 'no' on the basis that he wouldn't wear a condom he chose to rape me" (from OP) definitely a homosexual hook up though he could be bisexual I suppose (no idea about all the demisexual/pansexual stuff).
BadgerB · 30/03/2022 13:43

@EsmaCannonball

Makes me nostalgic for the days when dodgy MPs used to find god. This is the type that I think of as Tabula Rasa Trans; everything I did before was because I didn't want to be a man; everything I did before can be forgotten because I am now a woman; everyone who judges me now is motivated by hate.

I'm guessing someone who made money out of a sugar daddy website has a very specific, degrading, sexualized view of what a woman is.

How very true....
EndaDay · 30/03/2022 13:44

[quote Alexandra2001]@EndaDay

Spoiling a ballot paper is a complete an utter waste of time, look at Byelections with 30% turnouts? the winner doesn't care, they'll bang on that they got X% of the vote!!

Vote for anyone, anyone at all, but not voting or destroying a ballot is why we get shite policies.

With this Tory MP telling us all he is trans plus him encouraging women to prostitute themselves, it really does mean that all the parties are the same on this issue.[/quote]
I disagree @Alexandra2001

A wated vote is voting for a party-almost all of the main ones I think-that are too frightened of the trans lobby to say what a woman is.

They aren't frightened of women who care about this though because they know that they will continue to trot out and give their vote to the party they choose, forgiving that party for this terrible thing that they are doing.

A wasted vote is not going to the election.

A spoilt paper is a protest-it is taking part in the election, going into the cubicle, picking up the pen and saying not one of these fuckers can define a woman so, as a woman, I will not reward them by giving them my vote.

That's what you do. You GIVE the party of your choice your vote.

Don't give them a vote of thanks for wanting to wipe women out.

Don't not take part in the election, as if you don't care about what they have said about women.

Care. Care enough to take part in the election and reject the fuckers. Protest. I can't GIVE my vote to any of these shits. I will withold my vote-not by sitting at home but by going to the Ballot and rejecting them.

Spoiling the paper is a choice. It is rejecting the miserable crew on offer.

To reject is an active choice and if enough of us did it, it might make an impact.

lassupthebrew · 30/03/2022 13:47

Rather unsure how real this is. Apologies to him if I am wrong.

I have no idea if he really is transgender as I do not have a clue what that word means as it seems to cover pretty much anything you want it to do these days.

What I do know from a lifetime of experience that this person is NOT is transsexual.

No transsexual ever WANTS to be transssexual, We try our best to overcome and escape it. Not aspire towards being it.

Transsexual is no more an identity to be appropriated than is woman.

I was instantly suspicious the moment I checked this was not a BBC misquote as it was such an odd thing to say - but it is actually in his statement.

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Hatinafield · 30/03/2022 13:52

I had never heard of Jamie before today.
I am mostly left with the impression that public office isn’t the ideal place for Jamie to be right now.
I hope Jamie gets the help and support they clearly need.

SucculentChalice · 30/03/2022 13:53

@Gingerkittykat

I hope he gets suport to recover from being raped but I don't like the fact he is using it as an excuse for hiscar crash and fleeing the scene.

Also from a BBC article:

*BuzzFeed News reported that ten companies where Mr Wallis was or is a director were subject to more than 800 complaints to trading standards between January 2008 and February 2017, according to Bridgend council.

The council said the companies had been the subject of 20 enforcement visits*

I wonder what he means by he wants to be trans?

I'm a landlord. In order to be a landlord, I have to prove that I'm a fit and proper person. I can have my registered landlord status removed at any time if I get e.g. a criminal conviction. I'd probably have to work very hard to prove that I should retain it.

MPs on the other hand seem to be subject to no such requirements.

I don't think this person is really capable of being an MP. They have a history of dodgy trading, and their attachment to hook up culture is worrying as it can lead to blackmail based on the public image of the person when they are in the public eye. This is what happened here too.

CarbonelCat · 30/03/2022 13:54

I can't get my head around what I've read about this person.

He has had companies that have been investigated and prevented from taking on work because of the findings of investigations.

He has lied about his involvement with companies involved in prostitution, and had these lies proven completely false.

He has run companies that have had multiple complaints made against them.

He was removed from office for non attendance at meetings.

He has broken covid rules and left the scene of an accident (that was potentially related to driving under the influence)

Residents in the area of the accident were without internet services from Nov- March!!!! Due to the damage he caused.

And yet, every colleague has not commented on any of this at all, but retweeted today's post with support.

I, along with all PP am incredibly sorry to hear this person has experienced sexual assault and I wish them all the best with seeking therapy and legal redress if they choose that route.

Doesn't change the fact that the very fact you can stand for office and be elected and be supported by colleagues as a good egg with that history of completely unbelievable.

When you look at the standards expected of the vast majority of professions and the things people are disciplined and lose their jobs over compared to this MPs incredibly dubious history, it just beggars belief that he earns 3 times what a nurse or teacher does and no one has ever said, "hang on now".

EndaDay · 30/03/2022 13:55

Just a quick PS to my post, @Alexandra2001

If you went to a surreal ballot box and the choices for you to give your vote to was King Herod, Stalin or Hitler-then I'm guessing you wouldn't vote for any of them. You would spoil your paper.

I'm not saying the spineless shits in our main parties are akin to any of those three but just making the point that sometimes there is almost a moral obligation to spoil your ballot paper.

Don't put your cross next to a fucker who is trying to say at best you're a CIS and think there is such a thing as a female penis.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/03/2022 13:56

@SparklingConsequences

Saying you 'want to be trans' is making a declaration about your state and that you intend to transition. They're just recognising that they need to do something about it. Often there's a period of 'questioning' where you slowly take yourself apart cos most people really really don't want to be trans. They'll be in for a rough ride, transsexuals usually get hounded out in politics.
Transsexual* is not a word you hear much these days. 20 years ago, as I understand it, there were considered to be two distinct groups: transsexuals, who were people, mostly male, who had gender dysphoria and after years of therapy were finally given the go ahead to have surgery in the genital area (and probably hormone therapy and other forms of surgery); and transvestites, almost exclusively male, who were cross-dressers, and wouldn't have been approved for surgery or hormone therapy in those long ago days of ethical standards, as they were not suffering from dysphoria. Psychiatrists and psychologists considered the transvestites' motivation to be mostly sexual and fetishistic. This is why the Gender Recognition Act was framed as it was - a diagnosis of gender dysphoria was put in as an essential criterion so that the fetishists couldn't get a GRC. Parliament was advised that there were probably only about 5000 people in the UK who would qualify for a GRC under the conditions in the 2004 Act, and that proved a very accurate forecast.

Nowadays, of course, gender ideologists feel that anybody who wants surgery and hormone therapy, or a GRC, should just be entitled to it, with no counselling or therapy required at all. The idea that some male people might abuse this is regarded as insulting. The suggestion that some people might be well advised to seek professional help to talk through all the issues before doing anything irreversible is considered hateful. And this leads straight to the Stonewall umbrella, which isn't on their website now, as far as I can see, but was fairly recently.

*I'm not even sure if it's transsexual or transexual.

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StationaryMagpie · 30/03/2022 13:59

@Turningpurple

I have ptsd, does this mean I can crash my car and walk off and it's OK?
Nope, and it wasn't for him either, he got 6pts on his license and a Fine.
Clymene · 30/03/2022 14:01

3 points on his licence, not 6

happydappy2 · 30/03/2022 14:04

Was anyone convicted of rape? Or is it an allegation?

Fascinating how he is believed instantly yet women aren't....

dopenguinsdance · 30/03/2022 14:06

At best he's a deeply flawed, mentally ill and traumatised
blackmail victim ( I don't see any reference to a rape conviction in his statement - and it would be astonishing if this 'rape' case was dealt with so quickly given the backlog). At worst, he's a fraudulent, misogynistic ex(?) pimp with zero integrity or sense of responsibility Maybe he's both? Either way, if he's suffering from PTSD (and even though, from working in the field, I know it's possible for some sufferers to be functionally able) he should concentrate on his own recovery. I don't see that his alleged rape, dysphoria diagnosis or mental illness has any relevance in terms of safeguarding women; quite the contrary.
And a 2am post has all the hallmarks of a 'dark night of the soul' revelation. Tbe cynic in me suspects a looming red top story linking all his previous misdemeanours.

StationaryMagpie · 30/03/2022 14:07

Rape reporting between gay men is just as vulnerable to either not being reported because they feel they wouldn't be believed, or not being prosecuted due to lack of evidence.

If he reported and got a conviction, would you use that as another thing to blame him for?

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 30/03/2022 14:08

Spiking one's ballot won't make the slightest difference, however many people do it. That's just a sop to make people feel better about their little protest imo.

lassupthebrew · 30/03/2022 14:09

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lborgia · 30/03/2022 14:10

It's a tale as old as time..
1970s - Tory MP hides being gay, caught with rent boy, blackmailed, police keep it all quiet, gets ahead of the game by paying people off, or getting engaged.

2020s - Tory MP hides being gay, gets blackmailed, police deal with it efficiently, quietly, discreetly. MP shifts focus by getting a mental health diagnosis, and making a brave statement.

But meanwhile MP has discovered the horrific dark side.

Saw his companies as purely a way to make money, nothing more capitalist than providing services for money, eh? Involved in pimping out women and men (he's equal opportunities folks!!). Wonder if this has given him a moment of reflection about those in his website.

I was confounded for two minutes, and then remembered. Really awful things can still happen to really awful people. But only really awful people use it as currency.

pussycatunpickingcrossesagain · 30/03/2022 14:10

3pts and a fine?
is that all??

He probably paid it from HIS sugar daddy profits.

MPs eh?
🤷‍♀️

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 30/03/2022 14:11

Spoiling not spiking ffs.