MP comes out as transgender

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A male Tory MP has released a statement on Twitter that they are transgender, and also that a couple of years ago they were raped.
It's a brave statement.

@BoreOfWhabylon Is this how you usually approach people who say they've been raped?

You're really coming off as homophobic. The fact that this rape was M/M doesn't make it any less real or serious.

Wewill, I was about to post a similar list. He seems to have all the criteria for a Tory or Labour MP in that case - sexual scandals, criminal activities (running off after car crash) etc etc he probably fits the algorithm for MP pretty well based on past conduct of MPs.

I don't know if his rape case has come to trial yet.

I support him in not giving in to the £50k blackmail attempt.

I don't think he has done gender transition under the law yet so presumably is still legally male.

How can you be "trans" in the sense he seems to be implying?

Is he saying he's actually a woman?

Has he been accused of weaponising his trauma yet?

But it's painfully unnuanced to unilaterally decide that this coming out is 'not brave'

But what does coming out as trans even mean if it doesn't involve changing appearance or how you want to be addressed. Are you saying that it is in an 'inner feeling' that we must all think is brave?

I basically have no idea what the bloke is going on about.

I do know that he probably feels the need to detract from his own actions.

I do know that trans seems to be a magic word that means the world must see and respond to another person differently in a way that favours them. For heaven's sake it made the NHS tell a woman she couldn't have been raped by a man because there wasn't one there.

How is it brave to say you are trans when it is completely and utterly meaningless?

@BoreOfWhabylon: "Other than the fact that he's a proven liar."

and so goes every rape trial ever.

How is it brave to say you are trans when it is completely and utterly meaningless?

It's as brave as saying you're fluffnurgy.

People also laugh at you when you say you're fluffnurgy, and try to get you to tell them what it means, and don't treat you like a real fluffnurg.

People just don't understand us. So we're actually much braver than all you blatwurdles.

(A blatwurdle is the modern term for those of you who were lucky enough not to be fluffnurgs. Blatwurdles don't have to be brave. God, I'm so tired of explaining this. Fucking blatprivilege).

He has always felt female since he was a child or something along those lines which is how a lot of trans people are www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10667135/Tory-MP-comes-trans-Bridgend-MP-Jamie-Wallis-says-raped.html

He wants to be called he for now and it sounds like he may be going to start a gender change process presumably including hormones etc

I have no problems with any of this at all but eg he should not be allowed to compete in female sport nor be counted in statistics of number of female MPs or in numbers of women who are raped and that kind of thing.

[quote Innocenta]@BoreOfWhabylon Is this how you usually approach people who say they've been raped?

You're really coming off as homophobic. The fact that this rape was M/M doesn't make it any less real or serious. [/quote]
No it's not. It's how I approach unevidenced claims by proven liars though.

And I don't think that makes me homophobic.

As an individual, all strength to him in dealing with rape and dysphoria. Nothing but support and sympathy.

Alongside that nothing but disgust for the Sugar Daddy stuff and if that was hidden from the electorate then was he elected with their full knowledge and consent? And anyone who lies about their business involvements is by definition not a suitable candidate or MP.

@WeWillLookBack

Ok. He has .....

1. Part-owned the sugar daddy.com website
2. Lied about part-owning the sugar daddy website
3. Made a number of very questionable decisions in his personal life, opening himself up to blackmail
4. His campaign manager, Gordon Lewis was convicted of threatening to kill his own son
5. He is listed as a Director on 10+ companies, of which have over 800 complaints with trading standards
6. Has a very dodgy 'Phd'....if there is one
7. Crashed a car - and left the scene. Fined £270 points and 3 points. Obviously could not establish if drink or drugs were involved, as he had done a runner
8. Comes out as trans ....
9. Update statement - will continue to use He/Him pronouns and dress the same.

Stunning and brave.

10. Got chucked off Pencoed town council for not going to any meetings for six months 11. As well as above companies, another was banned from taking on new clients by the Ministry of Justice

@Enough4me

Parliament can change the men's loos to gender neutral, rather than the women's loos, to allow him to comfortably use facilities without going into women's facilities.

Strongly agree!

You don't think singling himself out as different in a way that guarantees he will be mocked by a lot of peers is brave?

He has also in effect come out as gay and admitted to being a victim of male/male rape. If you think acknowledging that publicly is not brave, you are incredibly ignorant and narrow minded.

I have actually had experience of coming out. Not as trans, but as a lesbian. Fortunately my family are very accepting, I was not at risk of significant rejection (etc), yet I was still scared and distressed at the time. It still took courage. And this was in complete privacy, not in front of the world and all of Twitter.

You are entirely welcome to dislike Jamie. I dislike plenty of things about him too. But it pretty obviously required courage to go public as he has done.

It doesn't ring true. If he always felt like a woman, (whatever the fuck that means) and was about to embark on transitioning why one earth would he simultaneously announce that he is not changing his pronouns or appearance.

I mean that's not even a transwoman in the Danielle Muscato sense, (didn't change appearance but changed pronouns and dress).

Make it make sense.

@WeWillLookBack - I reckon you've got a full house in Slippery MP Bingo, right there!

This guy seems to be missing a compass, moral or otherwise. He's been hiding whatever for so long, and playing at Tory young and upcoming, and in the background he had no idea how to behave. And then something real and shocking and horrific happened. Which is difficult enough when you have your thoughts, and identity and everything resolved.

But he's all over the place, morally, legally, sexually... it's like watching a slow car crash.

Xenia, from his pictures, I don't think women's sport is going to be an area of interest.

Sorry that should say (didn't change appearance & dress but changed pronouns). Do wish there was an edit function on here.

He has no idea what it is to feel like a woman, no man can.

@BoreOfWhabylon Well, I think it's an atrocious way to respond to someone's testimony about their rape. Perhaps you're not very familiar with assault in gay and lesbian settings but what Jamie said is actually very plausible and convincing. There's no reason to doubt him.

Stating you are coming out as trans whilst declaring you have no intention of changing pronouns or appearance is NOTHING LIKE coming out as gay.

More likely he has internalised homophobia and doesn't want to admit his sexuality.

Either way, he's not a straightforward individual looking at his history. I'm not sure I believe a word he says.

One of the difficulties here is that he hasn't come out as gay. If a male who is sexually attracted to men identifies as a woman, he is no longer a gay man, she is now a heterosexual woman, and always was.

Brilliant idea for Men’s loos to be gender neutral-
Therefore leaving Women their own spaces.

Sleazy Tory says he’s “ Trans” to gain the sympathy vote.

Not brave in my book.

@lifeturnsonadime Actually it is. The 'coming out' bit is. Obviously not all of it.

[quote Innocenta]@lifeturnsonadime Actually it is. The 'coming out' bit is. Obviously not all of it. [/quote]
But what has he come out as.

He has just said trans.

It's meaningless.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g Pretty complex when it's a person who acknowledges he is male, with gender dysphoria, and attracted to men. Obviously a lot more honest than the 'was always actually a woman!' version, but you're right, it's not precisely coming out as gay.

[quote Innocenta]@Bambooshoot Yes, he has (I used 'they' pronouns earlier but I understand Jamie wants to use he/him), by almost any ordinary understanding of what 'brave' means.

I do not like basically anything else Jamie has done in his life. The sugar daddy stuff, being a Tory, supporting Boris... None of this is something I favour or support. But it's painfully unnuanced to unilaterally decide that this coming out is 'not brave' just because you think 'stunning and brave' is over applied.

It may be over applied. That doesn't make this coming out not brave. If you seriously think that this was not a scary thing to do, I contend you're being a bit naive. [/quote]
I would beg to differ (since different beliefs are allowed by law) - I don’t think appropriating women’s lives after committing a crime is brave at all, quite the opposite. It would seem from my viewpoint to be cynically timed for a sympathy vote, since trans people now have more public support than ever.