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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

MP comes out as transgender

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poshme · 30/03/2022 09:25

A male Tory MP has released a statement on Twitter that they are transgender, and also that a couple of years ago they were raped.
It's a brave statement.

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RedRobyn2021 · 30/03/2022 13:12

Yes I read this earlier, it sounds like a lot has gone on in their life. Certainly the rape and the blackmail and the car accident sound absolutely horrendous.

Whatever your opinion regarding his gender dysphoria, it certainly isn't an easy thing to open yourself up to the worlds opinions about things that are so deeply private.

I do feel sorry for him. Sounds like he has had a rubbish time of it.

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 30/03/2022 13:13

I hope they get the help they need regards the rape.

As for the other reveal? Looking at the rest of it, it is merely convenient. When you have a whirlwind of shite swirling round you, what better way to silence any criticism than with the stunning and brave muzzle.

Novel in that it says wannabe rather than being about the ‘feels’. So now we don’t even have to feel we are something, we just might have to want to be something.

I want to be a beautiful size 8 millionaire.

HermioneKipper · 30/03/2022 13:15

Hmmm this smacks of making excuses to cover up law breaking/hit and run.

No one can say anything if you come out as trans at the moment …

I realise that sounds unsympathetic but hopefully they are getting the support they need re the rape but they should still face the consequences of the hit and run.

EsmaCannonball · 30/03/2022 13:16

Introducing Schrödinger's Tory Trans, an offshoot of gender-fluidity where one may or may not be trans contingent upon the outcome of any police investigation, court case, parliamentary investigation or newspaper scandal.

Clymene · 30/03/2022 13:17

@RedRobyn2021

Yes I read this earlier, it sounds like a lot has gone on in their life. Certainly the rape and the blackmail and the car accident sound absolutely horrendous.

Whatever your opinion regarding his gender dysphoria, it certainly isn't an easy thing to open yourself up to the worlds opinions about things that are so deeply private.

I do feel sorry for him. Sounds like he has had a rubbish time of it.

The car accident? The one where he was behind the wheel and crashed his car suspected to be under the influence of drink and drugs? That car accident?

I wasn't aware we were supposed to feel sorry for people drinking and driving.

metro.co.uk/2022/02/16/wales-tory-mp-jamie-wallis-fined-after-car-crash-cut-off-villages-wifi-16116782/

ExMachinaDeus · 30/03/2022 13:18

Hmm, another man coming out as trans and then we find out he's been involved with sleaze. Sticking to the script so far.

Hmmm yes. And the 'hook up' suggests they're homosexual - a biological male attracted to other biological males?

TheEponymousGrub · 30/03/2022 13:19

@beastlyslumber

I wonder what he means by he wants to be trans?

I suspect it means that if he ends up in trouble for his criminal activities, he wants to go to a women's prison.

Hah, well spotted. That'll be it.
SamphiretheStickerist · 30/03/2022 13:20

Just musing. So many of us women say, first and foremost, that we are sorry for his rape experience. No questions about how he was dressed, whether he had taken all adequate personal safety precautions, etc etc, just immediate, heartfelt sympathy.

A proper case of "Be Kind" and look, we all are, because we don't need to be reminded, we simply are. All of us transphobic vipers, not denying his experience, let alone his very existence. Yet we remain the wrong side of history.

Thankfully we are the right side of humanity!

hogangog · 30/03/2022 13:21

i'm not sure if it's been said already as i haven't RTFT. at the time, i remember reading that the driving whilst unfit was in relation to him having tested positive for covid. he was supposed to be self-isolating. but obviously he could have been out in the early hours of the morning, down the windy roads of the Vale of Glamorgan for essentials.

OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg · 30/03/2022 13:23

I suspect that if photos reached the public domain of Wallis in stockings and suspenders, it will because he was in trans girl mode that day. No other reason, of course. Just expressing his authentic self. And then the rest of the time he’s in boy mode.

A bit like Pips Bunce or Eddie Izzard, only with his preferred girl mode clothes rather less appropriate for the day job.

ScrollingLeaves · 30/03/2022 13:23

“Timeforanewoneofthese

They say they want to be trans and has gender dysphoria, recognising that trans is a separate state of being, rather than “I’m a woman and I always have been”.
Seems to have a grasp on reality.
I wish them the very best. A trans MP with a decent grasp of fact and the issues around womens rights could be the best friend women can have. Fingers crossed.“

I would agree and I am very sorry he was raped. Perhaps the rape has added to his dysphoria about his sex - the reason psychological exploration and therapy should be available for young people who have body dysphoria in case past trauma is a factor.

What is very troubling though is that he had the sugar daddy website. He was a pimp basically. I wonder if any sugar babies got raped.

OvaHere · 30/03/2022 13:24

Saying you'd like to be trans but plan to continue with being male/using male pronouns at the minute seems like a holding statement. An ace up your sleeve that might be usefully employed later on.

Of course just by making that statement publicly he does immediately gain a protected characteristic because I believe the EqA covers those who are just thinking about gender reassignment. Of course there's no timescale about how long you can think things over for.

BootsAndRoots · 30/03/2022 13:24

He has come out as trans, but nowhere did he say anything about changing sex or becoming a woman. He said "trans", not even transgender, so it's as ambiguous as you can get.

He will still present the same as before and will still be referred to as a man. So nothing has actually changed, but it seems like he's now get an explanation for his behaviour.

Clymene · 30/03/2022 13:25

@hogangog

i'm not sure if it's been said already as i haven't RTFT. at the time, i remember reading that the driving whilst unfit was in relation to him having tested positive for covid. he was supposed to be self-isolating. but obviously he could have been out in the early hours of the morning, down the windy roads of the Vale of Glamorgan for essentials.
Driving while having Covid is not driving while unfit. It solely relates to drink or drugs:

4(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988 to drive or attempt to drive a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road or other public place while being unfit to do so through drink or drugs. A person shall be considered to be unfit to drive if his ability to drive properly is for the time being impaired.

oggybloggyogwr.com/2021/12/how-much-of-a-mess-is-jamie-wallis-in-part-two/

It was impossible to prove as he left the scene and walked home, leaving his constituents without internet access.

DomesticatedZombie · 30/03/2022 13:25

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-politics-51126309

Innocenta · 30/03/2022 13:26

I wholeheartedly believe they were raped, and as much as I disagree with their politics (etc), I really hope they get a lot of support and help in recovering. It's not a stretch to believe that they've been going through emotional troubles, and I don't think you have to agree with or like someone to acknowledge that.

tabbycatstripy · 30/03/2022 13:29

‘Of course just by making that statement publicly he does immediately gain a protected characteristic because I believe the EqA covers those who are just thinking about gender reassignment.’

You have to be at least proposing to transition. He just stated he isn’t - for now - doing that. So I don’t think he has the characteristic.

ClawedButler · 30/03/2022 13:31

"Dodgy man feels sorry for self, blames poor behaviour on gender woo"

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/03/2022 13:32

@EsmaCannonball

Introducing Schrödinger's Tory Trans, an offshoot of gender-fluidity where one may or may not be trans contingent upon the outcome of any police investigation, court case, parliamentary investigation or newspaper scandal.
Grin
OvaHere · 30/03/2022 13:32

@tabbycatstripy

‘Of course just by making that statement publicly he does immediately gain a protected characteristic because I believe the EqA covers those who are just thinking about gender reassignment.’

You have to be at least proposing to transition. He just stated he isn’t - for now - doing that. So I don’t think he has the characteristic.

So why is everyone and every outlet calling him trans and the 'first transgender MP'?

It makes very little sense.

SidewaysOtter · 30/03/2022 13:33

@Gingerkittykat

I hope he gets suport to recover from being raped but I don't like the fact he is using it as an excuse for hiscar crash and fleeing the scene.

Also from a BBC article:

*BuzzFeed News reported that ten companies where Mr Wallis was or is a director were subject to more than 800 complaints to trading standards between January 2008 and February 2017, according to Bridgend council.

The council said the companies had been the subject of 20 enforcement visits*

I wonder what he means by he wants to be trans?

I think what they mean is “You can’t criticise my actions or behaviours now because if you do, you’re a transphobe and the TRAs will come for you”.
BootsAndRoots · 30/03/2022 13:33

I think it would send a powerful message if he reported the rape to the police.

viques · 30/03/2022 13:33

@SamphiretheStickerist

Just musing. So many of us women say, first and foremost, that we are sorry for his rape experience. No questions about how he was dressed, whether he had taken all adequate personal safety precautions, etc etc, just immediate, heartfelt sympathy.

A proper case of "Be Kind" and look, we all are, because we don't need to be reminded, we simply are. All of us transphobic vipers, not denying his experience, let alone his very existence. Yet we remain the wrong side of history.

Thankfully we are the right side of humanity!

This.

For the rape. Not for the other stuff.

Enough4me · 30/03/2022 13:33

Language is under threat as adjectives can be ring-fenced. Kind, brave and stunning now have other meanings.

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