‘Trans women have been using women's spaces for years’

[DameHelena]

What does one say to this argument? I’m instinctively sceptical but I don’t know if I’m right to be.

We absolutely do know, Cathy. The fact that you know we know must be irritating.

Catherina, you've told us on many different threads that you're female.

There are 3 options -

1. You have told the truth and you are female.
2. You have told a lie and are male.
3. You are one of a disturbing number of people who are co-opting the word female to mean something other than the word which indicates someone of the female sex.

You're a random on the Internet so none of us can really say for certain.

God I really hope you're not female @CatherinaJTV. The ides that a woman would spend so many hours telling other women that they shouldn't have any boundaries is honestly very chilling.

3 types of toilets: 1 for penis havers, 1 for vagina havers, and 1 unisex. Then we can all be happy.

Maybe in really really posh society toilets at a society event- because people are there to see and be seen, and aren't wrangling their shopping and children. nope not there either.

@Summerfun54321 well the proportions would have to be different and a disabled loo is necessary.

@FlibbertyGiblets

We absolutely do know, Cathy. The fact that you know we know must be irritating.

So you don't know

'"my thinking" like "I love your shoes", "where did you get that dress, if you don't mind me asking" and "could you pass me a paper towel please"'

This sounds very performative. Just get your own paper towel. I use public toilets for convenience, not chat, and the only time I speak to anyone is if something unusual happens.

I quite often complement people on their babies in public toilets.

@CatherinaJTV

*Ha, as if that ever happens. Even if we dont clock them as men which is highly unlikely but just assume that your friend passes, who tf compliments women on their hair. Ffs never happened to me yet in a toilet or changing room. And shoes? Dont make me laugh, I've got some splendid shoes and boots and yes people do ask where I got them, but its never been said in the toilet.*

and because it hasn't happened to you it never happens?

I don't usually do the shoes/hair/lipstick chat in the loos. But I am willing to believe this happens on the basis of anecdote - if, as I said upthread, you are willing to acknowledge that I encountered a masturbating transwoman in the toilets as a teenage girl. Deal?

Catherina

You seem like a man performing his version of femininity to me. But since I am unlikely to meet you face to face, it doesn't matter.

'I quite often complement people on their babies in public toilets'

If the baby is particularly cute I might notice.

@Aretina

Catherina

You seem like a man performing his version of femininity to me. But since I am unlikely to meet you face to face, it doesn't matter.

It’s the asking people to pass you a paper towel for me. Do I look like I work in the toilet? I can’t imagine the situation where you’d need to ask a stranger to get you a paper towel rather than getting it yourself. Maybe as a lead in to the lipstick and shoes chat that ladies do in the toilet. I mean none of the toilets I’ve used for the past almost thirty years but the really nice ladies toilets maybe.

@Aretina

Catherina

You seem like a man performing his version of femininity to me. But since I am unlikely to meet you face to face, it doesn't matter.

I thought you could "always tell"?

Re convos in the loos, my most memorable one was when I rushed in and upchucked with proper sound effects, and emerged ashen-faced.

The woman already washing her hands looked at me sideways, but didn't say anything. I looked at her sideways. 'Morning sickness,' I said. 'Oh love,' she said, 'that's horrible, I had it terribly!'

But I can't remember a single discussion about clothes, hair, makeup or shoes with anyone other than someone I know already.

Lots of generic chat, though, about the lack of soap, or the uselessness of the hand driers, or the length of the bloody queue!

Although I do seem to remember hanging round in the toilets at school for longer than necessary. Doing makeup at the mirrors etc. I left school very early but when I was about 13/14 that seemed to be a thing.

I thought you could "always tell"?
We can't actually SEE you, can we, luv?

'Lots of generic chat, though, about the lack of soap, or the uselessness of the hand driers, or the length of the bloody queue!'

That's incidental chat, though, not attention seeking chat.

I can always tell face to face. You can lie on the internet, as you well know.

I can’t tell what sex someone adult is by their text, but in person I’d be surprised if I couldn’t. Babies are unisex for ages.

If you are a man in the woman's bathroom yes we can always tell.

If you are a random person on the internet we can only go by your language which as has already been mentioned - pushing women's boundaries. Something we expect from men. And something disturbing if indeed you are a woman.

However your little game isn't quite the victory you think it is.

@EdithStourton

I thought you could "always tell"? We can't actually SEE you, can we, luv?

clearly not. I am just amused how it is inconceivable to you that a "normal" woman would argue for trans existence, so I must be male.

@EdithStourton

I thought you could "always tell"? We can't actually SEE you, can we, luv?

Are we arguing for “trans existence”

But you aren't arguing for trans existence.
You are arguing for letting men in womens and girls intimate spaces. Which shows a breathtaking level of naive stupidity if you are indeed a woman.