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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

‘Trans women have been using women's spaces for years’

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DameHelena · 26/03/2022 19:41

What does one say to this argument? I’m instinctively sceptical but I don’t know if I’m right to be.

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RoseslnTheHospital · 26/03/2022 20:00

@VampireMoney

My best friend is a transwoman. You'd walk past her in the loos and never even know she's trans. You might even compliment her on her beautiful hair or her outfit or ask where she got her shoes. She might say she loves your lipstick shade. And you'd go on with your day not knowing you'd spoken to a transwoman.

Get. A. Grip.

Are you saying that only passing transwomen should use women's spaces?
334bu · 26/03/2022 20:02

People have been stealing hotel towels for years.

Might as well make it legal

Grin
GromblesofGrimbledon · 26/03/2022 20:02

Well we're well passed the stage of the very occasional Hayley Cropper nipping into the loos, aren't we?

#WhereAreAllTheHayleyCroppers

Lovelyricepudding · 26/03/2022 20:03

No transwoman has ever used female single sex spaces. The most they can ever do is destroy female single sex spaces by making them mixed sex. And when they do this women in that space always change their behaviour: averting eyes, exiting as fast as they feel.they can without drawing attention to themselves, or trying to lessen the risk by appearing friendly. Women always change their behaviour when transwomen enter a women's space and make it mixed sex.

Clymene · 26/03/2022 20:04

WE ALWAYS KNEW

DownWhichOfLate · 26/03/2022 20:05

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5274886802531695&id=470911516262605&m_entstream_source=timeline

This came up on my Facebook feed. You can tell from the way they walk (just after 1 minute in). Some things you just can’t change. Us women do know.

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 26/03/2022 20:05

@VampireMoney

My best friend is a transwoman. You'd walk past her in the loos and never even know she's trans. You might even compliment her on her beautiful hair or her outfit or ask where she got her shoes. She might say she loves your lipstick shade. And you'd go on with your day not knowing you'd spoken to a transwoman.

Get. A. Grip.

And yet as an actual women I’ve been in womens toilets for years & that has never happened to me & I’ve never seen these “oooh your shoes/lipstick/hair is fabulous” conversations

In fact that reads exactly like a male fantasy of the conversations women have in toilets

Lovelyricepudding · 26/03/2022 20:07

You'd walk past her in the loos and never even know she's trans. You might even compliment her on her beautiful hair or her outfit or ask where she got her shoes.

This is what women do to try and appear friendly to try and lessen their risk.

IncompleteSenten · 26/03/2022 20:07

You rarely notice?
Really?
Not saying something is not the same as not noticing.
We notice.

IncompleteSenten · 26/03/2022 20:10

The only time you'd have such kind of interaction on a public loo is when it's a pub or club loo and you're pissed.

If I was in the loo in Morrisons and someone started praising my lipstick or shoes I'd mumble a thanks and get the fuck away from them.

DomesticatedZombie · 26/03/2022 20:12

Yes indeed. I met a transwoman masturbating in a toilet when I was a teenager. About twenty years ago. Of course, as a young girl faced with a middle aged male pleasuring himself in a confined area I left as quickly and as quietly as I could.

ZaraSizeMedium · 26/03/2022 20:13

In fact that reads exactly like a male fantasy of the conversations women have in toilets

Doesn’t it just! Grin

DomesticatedZombie · 26/03/2022 20:13

This person didn't ask about my lipstick thank fuck. And I didn't notice the shoes.

LondonWolf · 26/03/2022 20:14

Narrator: Women had in fact, always noticed...

Lovelyricepudding · 26/03/2022 20:15

Thieves have been breaking into houses for years so stop locking your door.

Aretina · 26/03/2022 20:16

VampireMoney

You may think we wouldn't know. I rather doubt it. We know. I have seen males in women's public toilets. I have always known.

StopLying · 26/03/2022 20:19

There wasn't so many then. The numbers have shot up with self ID and the potential to take advantage. Even so, back then, women noticed, and they didn't want them in women's spaces then either. Transwomen in women's spaces makes women's spaces mixed sex. Just no.

Fairislefandango · 26/03/2022 20:20

And yet as an actual women I’ve been in womens toilets for years & that has never happened to me & I’ve never seen these “oooh your shoes/lipstick/hair is fabulous” conversations.

In fact that reads exactly like a male fantasy of the conversations women have in toilets.

Yup. I was about to post exactly that. I'm surprised there's no campaign to provide pillows in women's toilets so we can all have a pillow fight too. It's funny how some men think they can 'be' a woman when their only ideas of what a woman is seem to be based on ludicrous fantasy stereotypes which actual women almost universally find preposterous.

TW do not pass. But why would that matter now anyway, since it's apparently fine for fully bearded, bepenised and masculinely-dressed men to waltz into the ladies' because they feel like a woman?

IncompleteSenten · 26/03/2022 20:20

@ZaraSizeMedium

In fact that reads exactly like a male fantasy of the conversations women have in toilets

Doesn’t it just! Grin

We just need "let's trade bras" to finish it off nicely.
Aretina · 26/03/2022 20:24

Actually, I don't think I have any conversations at all with random other women in the loos. Maybe a smile here or there. Never once seen random strangers complimenting each other on their hair or lipstick.

ZaraSizeMedium · 26/03/2022 20:25

We just need "let's trade bras" to finish it off nicely.
Grin

Than I asked them to be my new BFF and invited them for a sleepover where we painted each other’s toenails followed by a pillow fight in our frilly négligés.

PoshPyjamas · 26/03/2022 20:25

You'd walk past her in the loos and never even know she's trans. You might even compliment her on her beautiful hair or her outfit or ask where she got her shoes

Yeah, if you were on E

materialrealitygirl · 26/03/2022 20:25

No, because the word transwomen doesn't mean transsexual.

Yes, a small number of transsexual people have been using women's facilities for years. Most of them were totally obvious because most MTF don't pass. Also they were much smaller in number.

But, the word 'transgender' means something different - it is an umbrella term, covering a many more groups and much larger in number. 'Transgender' includes the people we used to call transsexuals plus transvestites, cross dressers, non-binary people, gender fluid people, people experimenting with gender, and fetishists. (Remember, Stonewall says "expectance without exception"".

Many of these people call themselves transwomen, and/or think they should be in women's spaces.

What's changed, massively, also, is how politicised this issue is now. 10 years ago, if you said that women's wards or prisons should be single sex, no one would have batted an eyelid. But now, when women meet to discuss this topic, angry groups (including a majority of males, in my experience) gather to protest and intimidate women. (see #WPUKmanchester on Twitter for an example of this from just this week).

That's changed. And with it, the number of males who demand that they are entitled to women's spaces. That's very different from before.

Monitaurus · 26/03/2022 20:28

Why do I have a notification that this won’t show in my active threads?

PurpleCarpets · 26/03/2022 20:33

You appear to have been brooding over that post for four years! It was on Twitter. It got seven likes Hmm

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