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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JKR being burned again thanks to Putin

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Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 25/03/2022 14:45

Twitter is awash with blue ticks doing lots of “JKR is on a level with putin” and sky news have helpfully Hmm amplified it

t.co/6mhxE2Wvee

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 10:47

Caroline Farrow is one person with some gender critical views. She is very religious and active for causes many of us do not agree with. She is not the linchpin of an organised TERF movement.

DomesticatedZombie · 26/03/2022 10:47

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Interesting that he attributes more sincerity to Putin, currently waging war in Ukraine, than he does to Rowling, who wrote an entire essay explaining she didn't hate trans people.
Because Putin has a пенис innit
Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 10:48

This is all extremely childish.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 10:49

Interesting that he attributes more sincerity to Putin, currently waging war in Ukraine, than he does to Rowling, who wrote an entire essay explaining she didn't hate trans people

It really is. And I will take a guess at what that word is DomesticatedZombie!

Hasselhoffsheadband · 26/03/2022 10:50

I don't think OJ realised how it looks to normal people when he calls feminists 'natural allies of Putin' because they don't believe humans can change sex and they want to uphold single sex spaces.

Kind of wild!!!

JKR being burned again thanks to Putin
JKR being burned again thanks to Putin
Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 10:51

Owen Jones interviewed that incel creep Vaush. Is he aligned to all of Vaush's views? Go and suggest that he is on his timeline, he might threaten to sue you for libel, because he's allowed to do that, even though JK Rowling isn't.

OldCrone · 26/03/2022 11:00

@IdRatherJack

People are entitled to be friends with whoever they like, Caroline Farrow is however a Citizen Go director, a far right organisation which has recevied Russian funding and is therefore relevant to what is being discussed on this thread.
What is your definition of 'far right'? They seem to be a Christian group. Are Christians all far right now?

www.citizengo.org/en/ideology-citizengo-foundation

wigwam87 · 26/03/2022 11:11

What is your definition of 'far right'? They seem to be a Christian group. Are Christians all far right now?

Go to the citizengo wiki page and you'll find out about them and the HazteOir organization.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CitizenGo

Lots of information available with credible citations, you'll need google translate though Smile

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 26/03/2022 11:11

Well, Owen Jones and all his Novara media buddies attended a destination wedding in Malta, the state with the strictest legislation against abortion in the EU.

So he's anti-abortion then. Certainly didn't see him saying he could not risk funding the tourism industry of such a place.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 11:14

@wigwam87

Not seeing any link to gender critical feminists or any gender critical people in the U.K. other than Caroline Farrow? Wikipedia is quite pro trans, so I was expecting to see something. Do you have anything?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 11:16

So he's anti-abortion then. Certainly didn't see him saying he could not risk funding the tourism industry of such a place.

Terrible behaviour, really, Owen.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 11:21

Also the passing of self ID in Malta is allegedly linked to corruption in politics including the death by car bomb of a journalist investigating the corruption. Perhaps Owen should have had his holiday elsewhere?

www.womenarehuman.com/exposed-the-murky-maltese-connections-of-the-author-of-european-resolution-on-gender-self-id/

SantaCarlaCalifornia · 26/03/2022 11:26

What does "far-right" mean nowadays?

Because it seems to be thrown at anyone that doesn't immediately fall to the floor and flagellate themselves while chanting "TWAW".

NitroNine · 26/03/2022 11:28

“The Last Leg”, interestingly - given their general stance - seemed to think Putin had no business making the comparison Hmm

Hasselhoffsheadband · 26/03/2022 11:30

Oh.....so Owen Jones went to a wedding in Malta? He contributed to the tourism of a country where abortion is illegal? Well that's it then - he is clearly anti-abortion! He is a far right anti-abortionist!

He's, he's......... he is a natural ally of Caroline Farrow! Shock

That's how this works, yes?

Hasselhoffsheadband · 26/03/2022 11:31

@SantaCarlaCalifornia

What does "far-right" mean nowadays?

Because it seems to be thrown at anyone that doesn't immediately fall to the floor and flagellate themselves while chanting "TWAW".

Yes, far right, alt right, bigot - all perfectly acceptable labels for someone who thinks men can't become women.
BootsAndRoots · 26/03/2022 11:36

Outside of Twitter has this actually had much impact? The mass media are covering it, but it is a minor story, almost a light relief story. Yet we invest too much into this idea that Russian misinformation is having a serious effect. The media only go on about Russian misinformation when a political vote doesn't go their way.

IRL I don't know anyone who uses Twitter, but because the media uses it they think everyone uses it. Children use social media, but they're too young to vote.

We have seen too many discussions from people who spend all their time online saying that they don't understand how the person in the street is oblivious to the whole trans rights debate. Is it because IRL social media has much less of an impact than what people suspect?

There are debates over who receive Russian money, but for some reason the Independent and Evening Standard are exempt. No doubt if the Independent started running feminist articles we'd see all the Russian influence arguments start.

There is Russian misinformation, but I believe its role is massively overplayed, yet at the same no ever talks about China.

OvaHere · 26/03/2022 11:38

Men, whoever they are, are to be believed and taken at their word. Women are not.

This is why when women say we are women we're told we are wrong and when men say they are women it's taken as gospel.

Owen Jones would take a man's word about anything over a woman.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 11:39

There are debates over who receive Russian money, but for some reason the Independent and Evening Standard are exempt. No doubt if the Independent started running feminist articles we'd see all the Russian influence arguments start.

This is an important point.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 11:40

I agree, Ova.

DrSbaitso · 26/03/2022 12:03

@Hasselhoffsheadband

Oh.....so Owen Jones went to a wedding in Malta? He contributed to the tourism of a country where abortion is illegal? Well that's it then - he is clearly anti-abortion! He is a far right anti-abortionist!

He's, he's......... he is a natural ally of Caroline Farrow! Shock

That's how this works, yes?

You have four more moves to connect it to Kevin Bacon.
ScreamingMeMe · 26/03/2022 12:11

I think twitter has a disproportionate affect on what the media reports, but I'm not sure the general population put much stock in it.

I was just pondering: has Owen Jones always been this dogmatic? I still think he did some great work with his Chavs book, but was he the same person we're seeing now?

DomesticatedZombie · 26/03/2022 12:17

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Interesting that he attributes more sincerity to Putin, currently waging war in Ukraine, than he does to Rowling, who wrote an entire essay explaining she didn't hate trans people

It really is. And I will take a guess at what that word is DomesticatedZombie!

It's interesting that it's the exact same word - only in Cyrillic script, of course. Common root I suppose.

Ta-boom tish

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2022 12:19

Zombie Grin

Hasselhoffsheadband · 26/03/2022 12:22

You have four more moves to connect it to Kevin Bacon.

Grin
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