Women are still not allowed to gather and speak

[DomesticatedZombie]

twitter.com/AdamMaidment/status/1507080950856896522?s=20&t=qoogZvWOF8hmbMSL6w5L8w

'Protestors are now outside the Mechanics Institute where the Woman’s Place UK group are holding a conference on ‘single-sex provision in policy and law’.'

Well a disastrous night for the TRA's/incels. For the Manchester Evening News though it could n't have got worse.

Maidment has now associated himself, the newspaper and its editor, Darren Thwaites, with support for FGM. That's a stain that the MEN is going to struggle to shake-off.

Just how on earth is the newspaper and its editor going to dig itself out of this hole?

@secular111

Well a disastrous night for the TRA's/incels. For the Manchester Evening News though it could n't have got worse.

Maidment has now associated himself, the newspaper and its editor, Darren Thwaites, with support for FGM. That's a stain that the MEN is going to struggle to shake-off.

Just how on earth is the newspaper and its editor going to dig itself out of this hole?

I'm hoping Janice Turner writes something for The Times about it this week, to counter the bias in that MEN (how appropriate!) article. I watch those videos and all I see are angry, aggressive men trying to intimidate women into silence.

@DomesticatedZombie

What I find chilling is this:

Women arranged a meeting to talk about FGM, domestic violence, and our legal rights to single sex spaces, as detailed in the Equality Act.

A mob found them, harassed them, intimidated them, chanted 'ACAB' and 'cis scum off our streets'.

And there is nothing in the papers. Nothing in the news. Bar that ridiculous drivel from MEN.

You would think that women being attacked for protesting would be shocking enough to merit reporting.

It might not be in the papers, but DH just got back from a business trip down South (somewhere near Durham) and him and the people he met with (all men) were discussing this WPUK Conference and the protest.

They were outraged that the crowd outside was trying to drown out the voice of a woman talking about FGM and its impact on women and girls. And that women in 2022 in the UK cannot meet to discuss women's rights without an aggressive crowd outside trying to stop them talking.

DH, who's heard me discuss this whole debate way too much, wasn't the one who brought it up though. The more these extremists behave in this manner, the louder they shout, the more people notice. And like those men at the meeting, many who see and hear this are disgusted at their actions.

Good. That's good to hear. I think the worst of it is the sense that the world looks on and just doesn't give a fuck. Because it's just a bunch of women, who cares.

And like those men at the meeting, many who see and hear this are disgusted at their actions.

What would it take to move them to take action? Talk to MPs? Respond to consultations? Complain to MEN? Talk to colleagues in the workplace and resist compelled actions and speech?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I think this piece should be challenged. It's factually incorrect and the journalist was inciting trouble.

You're giving the writer too much credit. This isn't journalism. It is very badly written, lacking substance and structure and fails to meet even basic standards of journalistic writing. For instance, the writer either doesn't understand how to quote correctly or speaks an atrocious English himself.

When you include quotes that are incomplete or just plain stupid like those here, the journalist indicates that he or she can indeed formulate correct sentences by including sic, usually in square brackets. Let's the reader know that yes, there's a mistake in the quote, but that's what the journalist got told. It's not his fault if it's nonsense, in other words. Of course my news writing professor would have given me an earful about failing to elicit something decent and my editor back when I was working at a daily paper would have refused to print this regardlessofhis opinion on the matter. But hey ho. It's 2022 and this is what goes for journalism in the information age.

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

And like those men at the meeting, many who see and hear this are disgusted at their actions.

What would it take to move them to take action? Talk to MPs? Respond to consultations? Complain to MEN? Talk to colleagues in the workplace and resist compelled actions and speech?

Hmm. I don't know about public actions. But these are CEOs, and thanks to a previous conversation about women's need for safety and privacy, one of them knew his HR woman was talking nonsense when she pushed him to ensure that all toilets should be mixed-sex at their newbuilt office. And then his CFO on a later business call decided to share this with my DH and double checked with him on the law (DH is not a lawyer but obviously got talked at about the law so much by me that it must have sunk in).

I was quite amused by the whole thing. And now there's going to be toilets appropriate for all while providing single-sex toilets for women.

How strange that the posters who came to the LGBA thread to scorn women because 2 males had an argument have nothing to say about a mob of misogynists abusing women as they spoke about domestic violence, FGM, forced abortion, female refugees, etc.

I'm totally not surprised they aren't here condemning this mob chanting ''you're a bunch of wankers'' to female survivors of male violence, as on the other thread they claimed they 'hate seeing women being abused'.

So where's the outrage for these women? Wrong type, are they?

Indeed. Where is Christina , Permanent , et al? They are probably in another part of the forest clutching their pearls about JK being a Russian spy or something.

[quote Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky]This guy from Manchester university is outside in the crowd & thinks men yelling at women is just brilliant

twitter.com/pdkmitchell/status/1507091047301758986?s=21[/quote]
Love reading the ratio this asshat is getting. Endless and brilliant.

“Mate, have a word with yourself.”

@yourhairiswinterfire

How strange that the posters who came to the LGBA thread to scorn women because 2 males had an argument have nothing to say about a mob of misogynists abusing women as they spoke about domestic violence, FGM, forced abortion, female refugees, etc.

I'm totally not surprised they aren't here condemning this mob chanting ''you're a bunch of wankers'' to female survivors of male violence, as on the other thread they claimed they 'hate seeing women being abused'.

So where's the outrage for these women? Wrong type, are they?

It’s seems they know what a woman is when it serves their purpose.

twitter.com/Belstaffie/status/1507159162752487425

This is hate. This is extremism. This is dehumanisation, misogyny and bigotry.

The banality of evil, eh?

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0015qvs/north-west-tonight-evening-news-25032022

From 12.20

Emma Hilton interviewed

WPUK say they have gained 800 new followers.

twitter.com/Womans_Place_UK/status/1507256084939034653?s=20&t=z0QXSsarN6gxo-GGGzS3QA

@Abhannmor

Indeed. Where is Christina , Permanent , et al? They are probably in another part of the forest clutching their pearls about JK being a Russian spy or something.

I think it’s Cath not Christina (although they have similar user names?)

@Deliriumoftheendless sorry I get mixed up..also I have covid again 😅

I have thought for a long time that the government will only take action when a woman is killed for 'transphobia'

@MiladyBerserko

I have thought for a long time that the government will only take action when a woman is killed for 'transphobia'

Even that's debatable.

@DomesticatedZombie

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0015qvs/north-west-tonight-evening-news-25032022

From 12.20

Emma Hilton interviewed

Plus the reporter said they'd asked a TRA representative to appear but they couldn't found anyone willing to speak.

No surprise there.

[quote Abhannmor]@Deliriumoftheendless sorry I get mixed up..also I have covid again 😅[/quote]
It is confusing when posters have similar names!

But Christinaxyz posts sensible, well thought out stuff and Cath- well, I can’t comment 😂

@abhanmor I hope you you feel better soon xx

Ova

Yes it occurred to me when I was writing it, that the Scottish government would probably blame the dead women and then pass laws to prevent 'transphobia'

Earlier, someone posted that one of the protestors said that WPUK's goal was to make it so that prejudice against trans people was no longer a hate crime (or something along those lines.) And it got me thinking...currently in the UK, if you abuse a trans person then that may qualify as a hate crime. But if you abuse a woman, that's not a hate crime at all. The video from the LGBT alliance confernece, which shows a man calling the transwoman a pervert etc could arguably be said to be a crime. But when women are chanted at, heckled, abused, called TERFS etc that doesn't even qualify as criminal at all.

Earlier, someone posted that one of the protestors said that WPUK's goal was to make it so that prejudice against trans people was no longer a hate crime

Is it? Not something I've heard at the 5 of their meetings I've been to. If you commit an actual crime, motivated by prejudice, that's what a hate crime is, eg when you beat someone up in the street for being gay or trans or whatever. What these people are trying to say is that they don't think people should be allowed to say that they don't believe in gender identity ideology.

Threatening people with violence is already a crime. They don't need to use a "hate crime" uplift to prosecute for it. But strangely enough, they don't ever bother.