Jen Ives LGB Alliance Twitter Row

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So, trans woman infiltrates conference, row ensues. Who'd have though it?

What @GarageFlower123 said. Jen Ives got exactly the reaction they were hoping for.

Why any women are giving this the time of day is beyond me.

So let's get this straight:

In August last year, Alex Bramham, a gay man, went to a Pride march wearing an LGB Alliance hat. He got the hat taken off him by a crowd of people, who then proceeded to harass him, following him down the street, shouting at him, and he needed police to escort him to safety. This is perfectly fine and normal apparently and Alex Bramham deserves this treatment.

At the LGB Alliance conference, Jen Ives, who is male, wears a recording device which they say was recording all day and goes into the ladies toilets at the event, thereby recording women in the toilet without their consent. Alex Bramham then confronts Jen Ives about this, and insults Jen in the process. This is a hate crime, the absolute worst thing in the world, comparable to Nazism blah blah blah

This kind of reminds me of when that TRA held up a banner at a Pride march saying #killJKRowling, and no one gave a fuck, but a single tweet from Magdalen Berns where she insulted a TRA is rolled out constantly to show how hateful all GC women are.

Also, how come when GC feminists come up with evidence of transwomen harming women, the line is 'oh you can't tar all transwomen with the same brush based on the actions of a few', but when one gender critical gay man is horrible to a transwoman, that example can be used to show how awful all GC people are?

The double standards are total bullshit.

From what I can see, Jen remained calm and didn’t do anything that could be considered ‘protesting’ during the day?

Alex Brahman gives the impression that she threatened his BF with publicising the fact he's gay, when he wasn't out to his family.

I'm not justifying the blokes aggression but nor am I going to massively judge an autistic person losing their rag with someone trying to wind them up.

This isn't going to be popular, but this video comes across really terribly. Of course Jen doesn't need to release the videos they have: they got the ultimate prize. They managed to goad some guy into losing his shit, and coming across as completely unreasonable. It's no excuse that the guy is autistic...the perception is he's screaming at someone (a person who is perceived by many to be a member of one of the most vulnerable communities), calling them a pervert for no discernible reason. This is why men frustrate me so much with their aggression. The best response would have been to just ignore Jen, especially if they were just observing the conference. Yes it's true, there is more to the story...but people on twitter aren't going to see any of the background context.

At Manchester Pride Alex was harassed by a straight woman and her boyfriend, but as straight isn't special enough she labels herself Queer.

Don't gender critical people record all sorts of things in public locations such as conferences, swim meets, public meetings, etc?

So Ives breaches boundaries by going into the women's toilets at an event where the organisers have specified they are single-sex, not single-gender, but I'm supposed to trust Ives if they say, totally turned the device off in the toilets, honest.

You may trust Ives. I am under no obligation to do so.

No, me neither. Remember the gloating ("joking") about it on Katy Montgomerie's podcast?

@snekkes

Don't gender critical people record all sorts of things in public locations such as conferences, swim meets, public meetings, etc?

Other people in the toilets?

@justaftb

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I see intentional and horrendous transphobic abuse. This is not a "telling off" - that man unleashes every anti-trans slur over the poor woman. It is amazing that she can stay so calm, tbh, and it is disgrace that the security and organisers who seem to be present do not intervene earlier (even if it was just to protect the aggressor from the consequences of his own actions).

There is no excuse for that and I hope there'll be legal consequences for the perpetrator. I also think that if Jen Ives had indeed "antagonised" the aggressor, he would have shown us this as some sort of ta-dah.

@WeeBisom

This isn't going to be popular, but this video comes across really terribly. Of course Jen doesn't need to release the videos they have: they got the ultimate prize. They managed to goad some guy into losing his shit, and coming across as completely unreasonable. It's no excuse that the guy is autistic...the perception is he's screaming at someone (a person who is perceived by many to be a member of one of the most vulnerable communities), calling them a pervert for no discernible reason. This is why men frustrate me so much with their aggression. The best response would have been to just ignore Jen, especially if they were just observing the conference. Yes it's true, there is more to the story...but people on twitter aren't going to see any of the background context.

this. This will be the image of LGB Alliance and GC folk from now on.

If Ives called a gay man a "nonce" at an LGB event (or anywhere), as is alleged, Ives also should be facing legal consequences. It's as much hate crime-worthy as anything else.

Let us not forget the women who have been PHYSICALLY ATTACKED by males who identify as trans at various events. PHYSICALLY ATTACKED.

Yes. The gaslighting hypocrisy is quite something.

this. This will be the image of LGB Alliance and GC folk from now on.

Why?

Is a bloke holding a banner saying #killJKRowling representative of you?

How come it's ok for an actual mob to descend on a gay man at a Pride gathering and harass him to the extent that he needs police to escort him?

Is this the second time this has occurred? I feel like I’ve heard something very similar before. Using women’s toilets at an event where it’s been made 100% clear the toilets are single sex, when you’re not a woman is a very aggressive act, so I can’t drum up any sympathy.

Pity it happened because of the optics, but I imagine the aggressive act, of invasion of a single sex space, was entirely intended to provoke an aggressive response, so Ives’ tactic was entirely successful, and I very much doubt Ives was upset, and indeed was probably pleased.

No, it came out when it happened. It's old news.

Is Tara Wolf, who punched a woman in the face, representative of all transwomen?

This will be the image of LGB Alliance and GC folk from now on.

Funny how a TW beating up a woman at a MVAGW march in front of kids isn't the ''image'' of the trans movement to you ''folk'' though, huh?

Don't see you on those threads...

Don't gender critical people record all sorts of things in public locations such as conferences, swim meets, public meetings, etc?

Yes. Some even use provocative tactics (although I've not heard of any accused of things as bad as Jen is). Activists have right to do whatever they want within the law and everyone else has the right to think Jen is a dick.

Still while having no sympathy for Jen is understandable, some are coming close to excusing the blokes behaviour, which was not OK.

Is Dana Rivers, who murdered a lesbian couple and their son, representative of all transwomen?

(For the uninitiated: www.karadansky.com/state-v-dana-rivers-updates)

A few weeks after the LGB Alliance Conference, Women's Place UK held a meeting at the QE2 conference centre.

That meeting was characterised by two men outside hurling racist and misogynistic abuse not only at attendees of the WPUK event, but at the black security guards and attendees of the Black People into Business event being held in the same venue.

Maybe those men should be held up as the public image of the MRA/TRA movement?