Are the wife and children really fine?

[DancingBarefootOnIce]

A man I used to be close friends with recently came out as a transwoman on Facebook. I was a bit surprised as when I knew them in their 20s they were just a typical man. They’re now mid 30s and married to a woman with three children.

Anyway in their post the second sentence was something along the lines of “Don’t worry my wife and children are fine”. I’ve seen it before in stories like this or when someone comes out as gay.
It’s almost like there’s going to be an accusation of homophobia or transphobia if they’re not alright with it. It just doesn’t feel right. If my partner or father came out with something like that it would change so many things in thinking about past relationships etc.

@ElaineFuchs a man and a woman. Mad ay.

You call them the class of people they are.

Women.

Men.

That’s worked for millennia upon millennia.

"Maybe the next generation will be just a little bit better"

@ElaineFuchs

After enough corrective behaviour training maybe they can be better like you!

What would you call the class of adult human females who don't believe in gender or through illness coma or death are unable to speak of or demonstrate an identity?

According to the poster, the very second sentence of this coming out post was about others. Doesn't sound self-centered to me

Having something asserted by the person who is not in the group spoken about in this context is a remarkable instance of self-centredness and speaks to their egocentricity.

I hope the next generation will be better at critical thinking skills and understanding biological fact and material reality. And also better at not being obsessed with putting people into horribly regressive boxes based on extreme stereotyping. I also hope they won’t be so prone to ignoring what they see right in front of their eyes just because Big Brother Sister says so and they must please him/her/them/it.

@Nnique

I hope the next generation will be better at critical thinking skills and understanding biological fact and material reality. And also better at not being obsessed with putting people into horribly regressive boxes based on extreme stereotyping. I also hope they won’t be so prone to ignoring what they see right in front of their eyes just because Big Brother Sister says so and they must please him/her/them/it.

"horribly regressive boxes based on extreme stereotyping"

Women and men having particular shaped genitals is the biggest stereotype there is. GCs hate anyone stepping outside this regressive box.

That’s utter bollocks. Honestly do you actually listen to yourself??

Please...this will be interesting. Do explain your rationale.

Women and men having particular shaped genitals is the biggest stereotype there is

Surely that's just fact based on biology?

I love my partner for who they are, not their gender. If they were to transition I can say 100% I would stand by them and support their journey and not lose an inch of love

What makes them who they are though? What if they change their personality which isn’t unheard of in transitions.

genitals…. stereotype . You’re hilarious.

Elaine

I think you should fly the world amd part with your "gift"

Babies are thrown on the trash heap or aborted as a result of thise horrible stereotypes of what kind of genitals they have. Just think of all the babies you could save by revealing to others that they could be putting a boy on top of the pile of dead and dying girl babies.

Perhaps that would be a better use of your time and superiority?

Maybe this woman's wife is bisexual or pansexual?

What difference would that make, he isn't changing his sex?

I don't think the stresses caused by your husband deciding he's a woman are purely about sex.

Transphobic if my husband decides he is a woman?

Following your own logic I presume it's homophobic to reject anyone of any sex or gender?

Gay men are offensive if they reject me? Lesbian women should allow men to have sex with them?

Get a grip.

@ElaineFuchs

Maybe this woman's wife is bisexual or pansexual?

I think it depends what you mean by "not alright with it".

If you mean that her wife and children might be troubled by their exposure to societies transphobia (for instance being bullied at school for having a transgender mum) then that's a valid concern. The UK is home to some terrible transphobia.

If you mean that her wife or children might be themselves bigoted towards her, then that would be transphobic and should rightly be called out as such!

(And just to help prevent this being misinterpreted, I wouldn't consider it transphobic for a straight woman to want to end a romantic relationship with a trans woman who's recently found herself).

Congratulations to them all!

And maybe she isn't. Maybe she is straight.

And "not alright with it" is pretty obvious. She has now had her heterosexual marriage materially changed because her husabnd has decided to be her wife.

And transphobia? You mean people knowing that human beings cannot change sex? Not so terrible is it? Kids are boudn to laugh, be scared of things they don't understand and it is up to adults to explain these things to them without recourse to fair stories and 'kind lies' that will only produce firther confusion.

And if you want to state that the wife should now be delighted to have had her marriage, her own sexuality, her personal thoughts and feelings negated just say so. You don't REALLY want to force a woman to have sex with someone she doesn't want to, do you?

Oh no, see, you put that in brackets because, well, erm, you realised that that is precisely what you did say! From your first line, your first assumption onwards, you have made up a brand new reality for a woman you don't even know. Why is that? What are you trying to defend that needs such efforts to be extended?

How can they be fine??

I get so upset for women who spend their lives and youth with men who are gay or trans. It is so so unfair. How can you do that to someone? Just stay single if you're not ready to come out.

@PigeonLittle oh yes lesbian women are already being coerced into having to be okay with ‘womanly’ penises.

@PigeonLittle

Transphobic if my husband decides he is a woman?

Following your own logic I presume it's homophobic to reject anyone of any sex or gender?

Gay men are offensive if they reject me? Lesbian women should allow men to have sex with them?

Get a grip.

Yes, you owe everyone your body or you're a homophobe. This is what I believe and what I have stated many times.

Women and men having particular shaped genitals is the biggest stereotype there is.

Eh? Are you on glue? DSDs causing significant changes to gential structure are very rare.

Of course peni and vulva come in all shapes and sizes but they are still peni and vulva.

Women and men having particular shaped genitals is the biggest stereotype there is. GCs hate anyone stepping outside this regressive box.

No. GC people are critical of people being bound by gender stereotypes (the idea girls can't do certain things, boys can't dress a certain way etc etc etc). I want those old fashioned boxes gone. But we haven't lost our rationality and connection with reality - so we know humans are sexually dimorphic, and that we can't actually change sex. Sex is a physical reality, not a stereotype. A male should be free to be as 'feminine' as he wants, but he will always remain a male, and some aspects of his physical reality can't be changed.

LOL @ElaineFuchs LOL?

You find the emotional burden those women have endured hilarious?

Or is it just the thought that they may have some bearing on the OPs post that is funny?

Or is it that they tell a story that does not accord with your beliefs and so must, in their entirety be disregarded, reduced to mere amusement?

Trans isn’t an adjective. Indeed the curious recent insistence that we must leave a gap in the word transwoman is a prime example of the attempted forced changes that are evidence that a campaign is under way. The only reason for such a change is the false attempt to claim adjective status.

Trans is a prefix, or part of a compound noun. This is most obvious when you take into account that the later part of the noun is not accurate: i.e. a “transwoman” is male, so woman is not appropriate.

This is similar to the words seahorse or clothes horse. Both are compound nouns, neither are horses.

Well there are several options
They are actually fine
They really aren’t and the Transwoman is lying
They are pretending to be fine

We will never know as we are only hearing from one of the parties and it isn’t really anyone else’s business