Are the wife and children really fine?

[DancingBarefootOnIce]

A man I used to be close friends with recently came out as a transwoman on Facebook. I was a bit surprised as when I knew them in their 20s they were just a typical man. They’re now mid 30s and married to a woman with three children.

Anyway in their post the second sentence was something along the lines of “Don’t worry my wife and children are fine”. I’ve seen it before in stories like this or when someone comes out as gay.
It’s almost like there’s going to be an accusation of homophobia or transphobia if they’re not alright with it. It just doesn’t feel right. If my partner or father came out with something like that it would change so many things in thinking about past relationships etc.

I apologise if I offended you, TinselAngel. But the Newspeak and deliberate obfuscation around the issue seemed to be very relevant to me. By the arguments of some posters on here, since TWAW and sex=gender, you were never married to a man in the first place. The point seemed worth arguing.

It certainly is worth arguing. Of course.

If people with a bad faith agenda weren’t so keen on barging in everywhere and derailing, the discussions could actually develop around the actual topic or issue.

I’m not going to let it go the first or second time - because it is vitally important - but after that they deserve to be ignored.

I’m bowing out now.

To go back to the OP: Of course the women and children aren’t ‘fine’ with it.

@Nellodee

If woman means sex, then transwomen are not women. If woman means some kind of mysterious gender identity, then the vast majority of posters on this board are not women, cis or otherwise. One of the other of these must be true. Which is it, teaklaxon?

This is important. The gender ideology has simply erased the old definition of 'women' (but not the corresponding old definition of 'men'), and then told the rest of us that we must come on board the new identity-based world where we are assigned a new identity and stamped with a 'privileged' label.

The situation of women in Afghanistan doesn't lend itself to any kind of analysis under the new identity system, as we have no idea how various people in that country might identify and as the women and girls there are oppressed on the basis of biological sex and absolutely are not privileged.

I am uncomfortable with the label 'cis,' because it does not mean the same as "someone who has never transitioned".

It means something more: "Someone who has an abstract identity which just happens to coincide with their biological sex but is not based on biological sex." And the 'cis' person is argued to be comfortable with that identity.

So there are two forced parts to the definition: First, that everyone has an abstract identity not based on biological sex, and, second, that those who do not transition are comfortable with that identity.

My apologies for not being on topic...

@OldCrone

Now out of courtesy is someone really and in good faith said they didn’t want me to refer to them personally as cisgender, that’s fine. But anyone demanding I stop using the term altogether to refer to the broad group of people who are not transgender can sod off.

Now out of courtesy if a transwoman really and in good faith said they didn’t want me to refer to them personally as a man, that’s fine. But anyone demanding I stop using the word 'man' altogether to refer to the broad group of people who are men can sod off.

That OK with you TeaKlaxon?

Hear hear!

How could a wife and children be ok after going through such a shock?

Rather than be expected to 'be kind', I think they need kindness and therapy to move on with their lives. They need to have their trust of others rebuilt and to feel special and brave when they continue forwards with their lives.

@DrSbaitso

I apologise if I offended you, TinselAngel. But the Newspeak and deliberate obfuscation around the issue seemed to be very relevant to me. By the arguments of some posters on here, since TWAW and sex=gender, you were never married to a man in the first place. The point seemed worth arguing.

I find it best to ignore such nonsense.