Are the wife and children really fine?

[DancingBarefootOnIce]

A man I used to be close friends with recently came out as a transwoman on Facebook. I was a bit surprised as when I knew them in their 20s they were just a typical man. They’re now mid 30s and married to a woman with three children.

Anyway in their post the second sentence was something along the lines of “Don’t worry my wife and children are fine”. I’ve seen it before in stories like this or when someone comes out as gay.
It’s almost like there’s going to be an accusation of homophobia or transphobia if they’re not alright with it. It just doesn’t feel right. If my partner or father came out with something like that it would change so many things in thinking about past relationships etc.

@TeaKlaxon But if there are transgender people, by definition there must be people who are not transgender.

Yes there is. They are...... woman, and man . Words that have been in English usage for centuries.

How about that? Woman, and man. Wow. The English language is fascinating isn't it.

@WifeOfTiresias

My H, when coming out to friends and family, told everyone I had known about it for years and I was perfectly happy about it. Both statements complete lies designed to make them look like less of a shit.

He even told one of our closest friends that we had made an agreement years back that we would have DC then he would transition.

The lies about me nearly broke me.

That is horrendous

I don’t think you understand what you mean when you said ‘by that logic’.

I meant exactly what I said. Your logic, such as it is, is that if "trans" exists as a prefix, there HAS to be another opposite prefix for the same word. Hence, there is no such thing as a woman. Why is this so confusing? You're literally refusing to use the word without the prefix and arguing with us about it.

Have you worked out the lucid post that stumped you so much earlier this afternoon?

What is wrong with man, woman, transman and transwoman? What's the objection?

@DrSbaitso

What is wrong with man, woman, transman and transwoman? What's the objection?

It's the whole 'transwoman is a woman' argument isn't it. So they get to drop the trans, but we have to pick up the cis

@Rainbowshit

I've had my son's 11 year old friend round at my house crying because "he just wants his daddy to be a boy again". Now the dad wants to be called mum. How is that fair on the kids?

I read somewhere that the Jenner girls still call their father dad . He transitioned into caitlin Jenner when they were all adults and they decided that he was, and always would be , dad.

Yes. And then, once we accept that transwomen are women, there's no reason transwomen can't take women's sporting opportunities and medals, places meant to encourage women into business or STEM, places meant to ensure equality on corporate boards and so on. Because they ARE women.

(Don't worry, human traffickers and porn moguls. We'll know who the women are for your purposes.)

Newspeak objectives accomplished, doubleplusungood.

There’s no such thing as a ‘transman’ or ‘transwoman’. Trans is an adjective. It is therefore a standalone word to describe people whose gender identity doesn’t align with the sex they were assigned (or even observed…) at birth

Even if that was the case, using your logic, we should then use 'trans man' to describe men who claim to be women, because they are men who are trans.

[quote PinaColada123456]**@TeaKlaxon* But if there are transgender people, by definition there must be people who are not transgender.*

Yes there is. They are...... woman, and man . Words that have been in English usage for centuries.

How about that? Woman, and man. Wow. The English language is fascinating isn't it.[/quote]
That doesn’t work because most transgender are also either a man or a woman. Even if you disagree with my view about which of those things they are, we are agreed I presume that most trans people are either men or women.

So if there are men who are transgender it must follow there are men who are not transgender. And if we’re discussing the rights of those two groups we need to have adjectives to describe them.

Words like transgender and cisgender.

@Whatsnewpussyhat

There’s no such thing as a ‘transman’ or ‘transwoman’. Trans is an adjective. It is therefore a standalone word to describe people whose gender identity doesn’t align with the sex they were assigned (or even observed…) at birth

Even if that was the case, using your logic, we should then use 'trans man' to describe men who claim to be women, because they are men who are trans.

I don’t agree. Trans women are women.

But at least you’re getting your head around the fact that there are trans people and therefore there must be non-trans people. And so adjectives to describe those two groups are necessary.

In the next century, there will be books laughing at or dissecting-or both-the madness of all this shite.

It will be seen as a fucking big marker on civilisation's path to ruin.

I will never ever refer to a man as a woman. Never.

I will boycott any literary prize such as The Women's Prize for Fiction that last year included some shit by a man

I pray for the day when a man pretending to be a woman enters a major sporting event like Wimbledon and knocks every woman out of the game as surely this will bring things to a head .

I will not use any changing room where men are invited to go and change alongside women.

I will piss in the street before I'll use a women's loo that men can go in and if I can find the fucker who is responsible, I'll hold on until I can piss on his chips.

I watch BookTube and I will boycott any female "ally" who promotes fake women's books written by men and who, like one woman old enough to know better, apologise for saying they liked Harry Potter as a child and assuring people that they do not support her and would never buy books by her.

I'll boycott any firm that pays lip service to this dangerous nonsense.

I won't vote for any party who cannot define a woman

I will ignore pricks who put their preferred pronouns on paper and will always cross out anything that asks if I am a woman, including Trans.

There are more actual women than there are men pretending to be women and their allies so really all we have to do is make even more noise and vote with our money. I say "all we have to do" the trans lobby make a lot of noise for so small a group but we just have to shout louder.

Born with a cock=Man. Born without=Woman.

@TeaKlaxon

If you’re not trans then you’re cis. Sorry about it.

Arguing otherwise is about as tiresome as straight people arguing there shouldn’t be a word to describe people not being gay or bi.

What about if you're non binary? Or gender queer? Or gender fluid? Or xi or zer or gender expansive?

What about them? Literally denying peoples existence....SMH 😒

@TeaKlaxon Yes it does work and has worked for centuries and decades, so why is now any different?

This happened in my family. He went around telling everyone the wife and kids were fine. It's part of the script to convince everyone they've done the right thing. They categorically were not okay.

The wife is devastated after 40 years of marriage and the adult sons are bewildered and have no desire to see their father in his new incarnation.

Of course their church think he's stunning and brave.

But @TeaKlaxon There.Is.No.Such.Thing.As.Cis!

A transgender woman is just that. A transgender woman. I am a woman.

@TeaKlaxon Trans women are not women. You can't and won't get away with that lie. Trans women are MEN. Biology, via chromosomes, DNA, orthopaedically. A trans woman is a man. This is fact that you simply can't re-write, no matter how brainwashed you are by ideology and programming. A little thing called biological science gets in the way of your fantasy.

How?! How are transwomen actually women?! Why would they need surgery and hormones if they actually truly were?! The madness.

@TeaKlaxon of course transwomen aren't women. The clue is in the name.
Woman is not the same as transwoman, or you wouldn't need the 'trans' bit. What a weird thing to say.

@Movingonup22

Well it’s never a transman coming out being happily supported by his husband is it???

Transmen in general seem to just quietly get on with their lives without demanding anything much at all . They don't seem to need to shove themselves into male sports( wonder why that is) or to shout and yell about their rights. Presumably that's because they started off as women and are used to all that comes with that. Transwomen on the other hand ,started as men .....and doesn't it bloody show.

@DownWhichOfLate

How?! How are transwomen actually women?! Why would they need surgery and hormones if they actually truly were?! The madness.

Yep, more than that, they'd have to alter the makeup and nucleus of DNA, and Chromosomes. It's simply not even possible.

@TeaKlaxon

If you’re not trans then you’re cis. Sorry about it.

Arguing otherwise is about as tiresome as straight people arguing there shouldn’t be a word to describe people not being gay or bi.

Surely if a transwoman can insist that they're to be called a woman and everyone must respect that, I (as a woman) can insist the term cis is offensive and must not be used to describe me?

If not, why not?

@TeaKlaxon

Trans is a prefix. Confirmation. See question is trans a prefix or an adjective.

@EndaDay

In the next century, there will be books laughing at or dissecting-or both-the madness of all this shite.

It will be seen as a fucking big marker on civilisation's path to ruin.

I will never ever refer to a man as a woman. Never.

I will boycott any literary prize such as The Women's Prize for Fiction that last year included some shit by a man

I pray for the day when a man pretending to be a woman enters a major sporting event like Wimbledon and knocks every woman out of the game as surely this will bring things to a head .

I will not use any changing room where men are invited to go and change alongside women.

I will piss in the street before I'll use a women's loo that men can go in and if I can find the fucker who is responsible, I'll hold on until I can piss on his chips.

I watch BookTube and I will boycott any female "ally" who promotes fake women's books written by men and who, like one woman old enough to know better, apologise for saying they liked Harry Potter as a child and assuring people that they do not support her and would never buy books by her.

I'll boycott any firm that pays lip service to this dangerous nonsense.

I won't vote for any party who cannot define a woman

I will ignore pricks who put their preferred pronouns on paper and will always cross out anything that asks if I am a woman, including Trans.

There are more actual women than there are men pretending to be women and their allies so really all we have to do is make even more noise and vote with our money. I say "all we have to do" the trans lobby make a lot of noise for so small a group but we just have to shout louder.

Born with a cock=Man. Born without=Woman.

All of this with bloody bells on. Great big , Westminster Abbey sized bells.

@ElaineFuchs

It's hard to believe that people here are really saying that discriminating against someone purely because of the color of their skin isn't racist. Now I really have seen it all.

Of course, you can exclude who you like from your dating pool. But that doesn't stop excluding people just because of their race being racist. You're free to exclude all trans people, but excluding people because they're trans is transphobic. You can't have it both ways.

Why do you have such a desire to make windows into the souls of men (and women)?

Are you the thought police?

People can think whatever they like. They can act however they like in respect of dating preferences. You cannot and should not seek to see into their souls.

Everything you have written on this thread is twaddle. But you know that I’m sure!

[quote PinaColada123456]@TeaKlaxon Trans women are not women. You can't and won't get away with that lie. Trans women are MEN. Biology, via chromosomes, DNA, orthopaedically. A trans woman is a man. This is fact that you simply can't re-write, no matter how brainwashed you are by ideology and programming. A little thing called biological science gets in the way of your fantasy.[/quote]
Archaeologist on the radio a few days ago . He made a very interesting point. If you die as a transwoman and you are buried in your costume of 'woman' that's all fine. But, if your body is exhumed in 100 years time ( as HS2 bodies are being exhumed now) all that would be left is your skeleton. Your pelvis, your leg length, your skull size, your jaw would identify you as what you are ....a man.