Are the wife and children really fine?

[DancingBarefootOnIce]

A man I used to be close friends with recently came out as a transwoman on Facebook. I was a bit surprised as when I knew them in their 20s they were just a typical man. They’re now mid 30s and married to a woman with three children.

Anyway in their post the second sentence was something along the lines of “Don’t worry my wife and children are fine”. I’ve seen it before in stories like this or when someone comes out as gay.
It’s almost like there’s going to be an accusation of homophobia or transphobia if they’re not alright with it. It just doesn’t feel right. If my partner or father came out with something like that it would change so many things in thinking about past relationships etc.

A woman is an adult human female. The definition depends on sex, not level of able-bodiedness. To claim that a trans woman is a woman is to empty the core of its very meaning in a way that the meaning of "disability" would not do. Because tje meaning of disability is nothing to do with the meaning of natal sex.

What is so objectionable about the term "transwoman"? Why are women not women while transwomen are transwomen?

People aren’t soft drinks.

I'm absolutely roaring here. 😂😂😂

Why has my post been deleted? Otherkin is a valid identity and there is no reason a man who is otherkin cannot identify as a can of coke.

There was nothing inappropriate in my post. Indeed I was defending the position of the otherkin.

People aren’t soft drinks.

Natal sex isn't a level of able-bodiedness.

@Annette32123

Why has my post been deleted? Otherkin is a valid identity and there is no reason a man who is otherkin cannot identify as a can of coke.

There was nothing inappropriate in my post. Indeed I was defending the position of the otherkin.

I agree. I saw your post. It was mildly sarcastic but in no way rude or abusive.

@Annette32123

Why has my post been deleted? Otherkin is a valid identity and there is no reason a man who is otherkin cannot identify as a can of coke.

There was nothing inappropriate in my post. Indeed I was defending the position of the otherkin.

I thought your post was great. I have been indetifying as a glass of Ribena for years

@mnhq - can you please reinstate my post? There was nothing offensive in the post and it is entirely in keeping with the beliefs of the otherkin. If anything @TeaKlaxon appears to have been denying the existence of the otherkin, which is pretty off.

@DrSbaitso

A bit like how disabled women aren’t any less women just because sometimes they need to use the ‘disabled’ adjective in some contexts.

You are trying to conflate disability with natal sex now?

No.

I’m pointing out that adjectives don’t diminish someone’s gender.

I have been indetifying as a glass of Ribena for years.

The Ribenaberries were cannibals. Think about it.

I’m pointing out that adjectives don’t diminish someone’s gender.

Being male diminishes someone's being female.

@AngelinaFibres

Be still my beating heart…..I love a good glass of ribena!

@DrSbaitso

I have been indetifying as a glass of Ribena for years.

The Ribenaberries were cannibals. Think about it.

I wish to apologise for my ancestors and I will endeavour to live a better and more thoughtful life . Please feel to remove any statues of ribena berries that cause offence

Philosophy time.

If a woman who is Objectum-sexuality falls in love with an otherkin man who identifies as a can of coke, are they a heterosexual couple?

In answer to the original question by the OP: no, of course they’re not fine

I am a cake.

They are fruitcakes

Apropos nothing, I’d kill for a slice of lemon swiss roll and a nice cup of tea right now.

Why are women not women while transwomen are transwomen?

But that is not what they say though - they say they are women, and this dreadful word cis has been invented to turn proper/biological women into ciswomen.

I'm going to bed in a minute, but Tea, while you're there, can you answer my questions from the previous page? The stuff about why it's progressive and inclusive to propagate a self-contradictory statement that enables male people to take opportunities, medals and allocated spaces from female people, break their skulls and deny them single-sex spaces in places like hospitals and prisons, where attacks have already taken place. Ta.

@AllThingsServeTheBeam

I'm disabled. I just say "I'm disabled". Never needed to add the woman bit. Being disabled has nothing to do with this argument at all.

Exactly. I’m also disabled.

And we’ve already explained trans is a prefix. I even provided evidence.

There have been various posters, across various threads over the last couple of days absolutely determined to use the slur cis and to insist that other posters use it to refer to themselves.

Is this the new thing by MRA's? No debate/no platforming has lost it's power so enforcing compelled speech (and not even in terms of going along with the courtesy of 'preferred pronouns' but actual compelled speech in terms of how women refer to themselves) seems to be the next big thing.

No. I'm not going to refer to myself by a made up, nonsense term. Keep insisting all you like. No.

@Waitwhat23

There have been various posters, across various threads over the last couple of days absolutely determined to use the slur cis and to insist that other posters use it to refer to themselves.

Is this the new thing by MRA's? No debate/no platforming has lost it's power so enforcing compelled speech (and not even in terms of going along with the courtesy of 'preferred pronouns' but actual compelled speech in terms of how women refer to themselves) seems to be the next big thing.

No. I'm not going to refer to myself by a made up, nonsense term. Keep insisting all you like. No.

Umm the only free speech issue I’ve seen here are people insisting I not use the word cis.

I couldn’t give a toss if you or anyone else uses it. It is an accurate and useful word in some contexts and if you actually give a shit about compelled speech you’d be addressing your criticism to people who try and prevent others from using the term.

@TeaKlaxon
But it’s a term you can only use to refer to people who identify as cis. If they don’t, you can’t.

I wouldn’t dream of telling someone I have decided they are trans. Or gay. Or disabled. Or white. Unless they believe they are those things, it would be deeply oppressive of me to force my interpretation of their identity onto them.

You are saying it’s ok for you to do that because it’s handy. That really isn’t a defence. Being too lazy to use someone’s preferred term isn’t ok.

Why do we need a new word to help identify biological women ? There is already one - women