Are the wife and children really fine?

[DancingBarefootOnIce]

A man I used to be close friends with recently came out as a transwoman on Facebook. I was a bit surprised as when I knew them in their 20s they were just a typical man. They’re now mid 30s and married to a woman with three children.

Anyway in their post the second sentence was something along the lines of “Don’t worry my wife and children are fine”. I’ve seen it before in stories like this or when someone comes out as gay.
It’s almost like there’s going to be an accusation of homophobia or transphobia if they’re not alright with it. It just doesn’t feel right. If my partner or father came out with something like that it would change so many things in thinking about past relationships etc.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Oh good, we're finally going to get an explanation of what the difference is between a transwoman and a man. Naturally, it won't involve gender stereotypes.

We're all ears, Elaine.

A trans person is someone who's gender doesn't match that assigned at birth.

A trans woman is an adult female person. A trans man is an adult male person. Female and male here refer to gender identity.

There is no specific way or defining characteristic to be a man or a woman. For examples, you might consider looking at yourself or those you know and see how they perform or express their gender, for example they might use gendered pronouns.

This thread details more specifically about gender being stereotypes.
twitter.com/WhatIsAWomanBot/status/1477090905215553536

Female and male here refer to gender identity.

Where? Some scienceless based Transtopia?

There is no specific way or defining characteristic to be a man or a woman.

Ah! Another who denies the existence of reality. Is that nihilism? Solipsism? A form of existentialism?

And offering a Twitter Twat as some sort of evidence. How cute is that?!

Yes gender is stereotypes.. I'm confused now Elaine you are in agreement that gender is stereotypes

A trans person is someone who's gender doesn't match that assigned at birth.

How do doctors "assign" sex at birth? What process do they use? What do you mean by gender?

A trans woman is an adult female person.

What do you think "female" means?

This thread details more specifically about gender being stereotypes.

That's a bot created by some misogynist to troll women. Not some kind of authority we must defer to on our own sex. HTH.

You see here, people, the Newspeak in action. You can't argue what a sexed female is, because sex means gender and female means whatever, er, Elaine wants it to mean. And sex is not objectively observed, it is randomly assigned for no reason.

Don't worry. When Elaine wants to conceive a child, Elaine will know which gametes Elaine needs, and will have no trouble identifying the male and female people.

Newspeak does not a valid argument make.

Astonishingly the nursing and midwifery council doesnt hold any information on the process for assigning sex at birth

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/information_on_assigning_sex_at

It’s a shocker I know

The reason someone transitions would surely affect how fine anyone is with it. My friend with a spouse who has transitioned to nonbinary is not fine. But that's more about the marriage as a whole.

But sincere question, Elaine, honestly...why is it so objectionable to say a trans person is a person whose gender identity does not align with their natal sex?

A trans woman is an adult female person. A trans man is an adult male person. Female and male here refer to gender identity.

There is no specific way or defining characteristic to be a man or a woman. For examples, you might consider looking at yourself or those you know and see how they perform or express their gender, for example they might use gendered pronouns.

Oh dear.

Moving on ...

And another question, Elaine...if sex is such a nebulous non-thing that just gets assigned without reason, how do trans people know which changing room they want to go in?

And what do they think transition is?

@Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky

Astonishingly the nursing and midwifery council doesnt hold any information on the process for assigning sex at birth

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/information_on_assigning_sex_at

It’s a shocker I know

Brilliant !

@ElaineFuchs do you enjoy being wrong?

You have repeatedly been told not to use the made up word cis. So stop. Cis is not a thing. Ffs

There is no specific way or defining characteristic to be a man or a woman.

Males are the reproductive class capable of producing sperm. Female is the reproductive sex class capable of producing ova. This stands even if you are not producing gametes for whatever reason. You are still of the sex class that is capable of doing so.

A man is an adult human male. A woman is an adult human female.

Trans people, whose gender identities do not align with their natal sex, need only add the prefix "trans" to make it clear who they are.

It is regrettable that a trans person is unlikely to be able to go their whole life never, ever having to confront the fact that their natal sex doesn't match that gender identity. However, until the world becomes equally keen to tell me that the things I don't like about being my sex, such as periods and menopause, also aren't real, it's just going to have to be part and parcel of the body one lives in. We can't control or deny everything.

@Movingonup22

Well it’s never a transman coming out being happily supported by his husband is it???

THIS ^^

@ElaineFuchs

What do you mean by Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for removing gender from our society!?

Do you mean like this publication from Harvard University? lgbtq.hkspublications.org/2021/07/25/how-to-abolish-gender/

Because this didn’t translate well in Afghanistan. Did gender studies lose Afghanistan? How Ivy League diplomats sought to remake Afghanistan in Harvard’s image.
I know this is behind a wall. But it is free to read this article.
I also recommend watching the video teaching an ‘art’ class to a group of tribal leaders with the aid of a photo of a metal toilet as an example art. spectatorworld.com/topic/did-gender-studies-lose-afghanistan/

To get from where things are currently in developing countries to where Harvard policy makers are suggesting would involve a paradigm shift of monumental proportions.

Colonialism didn’t work yet people keep on pushing to recreate societies in their image.

Elaine is doing a fantastic job of showing just how batshit the religion of gender identity ideology actually is.

[quote AllThingsServeTheBeam]@ElaineFuchs do you enjoy being wrong?

You have repeatedly been told not to use the made up word cis. So stop. Cis is not a thing. Ffs [/quote]
Why should anyone else get to tell someone they are not allowed to use the word cis?

I am cisgender. My gender identity matches the sex I was assigned at birth.

That is plainly not the case for everyone.

So how else do you propose to distinguish people who are trans from people who are not when it’s relevant to a discussion.

Weird how transphobes claim to be silenced but it’s actually then telling people what they can and cannot say.

Your sex wasn’t assigned at birth.

but TeaKlaxon you weren't assigned a "gender" at birth. Your sex was noted by the doctor/midwife, that's all.

sex is noted and observed, not assigned

@TeaKlaxon because it doesn't exist. It's not a term accepted on this board because it's pure bullshit. You can call yourself what you like.

A transwoman and transman is fine. We don't need a sub category for a woman who was born a woman thanks.

I am cisgender. My gender identity matches the sex I was assigned at birth.

If you want to use a meaningless in-group label that gels with your ideological beliefs to describe yourself and your personal identity that's up to you. I am not "cisgender" because it's not my meaningless in-group label or beliefs, it's yours. Women only come in one sex, and that is female. Males are the opposite sex to me, regardless of personal identity.

@TeaKlaxon also I'm not a transphobe.

Just like I aren't 'cis'.

@TeaKlaxon So how else do you propose to distinguish people who are trans from people who are not when it’s relevant to a discussion.

That is easy. It is how we have been distinguishing trans from people who are not for decades.

Woman - Transwoman
Man - Transman

You are simply a Woman. You don't need any prefix in front. You're either a Woman or Transwoman. Women who identify with the sex they were born are simply called Women.

It's really as simple as that. No need to complicate things that are not complicated.