Emma Watson's dig at JKR

[IamSarah]

It appears she said at the BAFTAs 'I am here for all of the witches... bar one'

Disappointing but not unexpected.

twitter.com/emwatsonbestof/status/1503505167207084034?s=21

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer Of course I won't yell at you. If I don't agree I'll let you know, but definitely no yelling. It's also not a trap.

Hypocrisy? What's hypocritical? confused

Oh lordy
We're still going with that are we after it's repeatedly been said?!
Ok, so (read in a sing song voice like Mrs Doyle would say it)

@LaTisaniere

So now instead of saying

"goodness me, if anyone said that, or any of the other things you've mentioned then that is completely unacceptable, regardless of who the woman is and whether or not we agree with her views. At the end of the day, how are personal insults towards another woman helpful to feminism? Its a disgrace and we should all do better, we should all call it out when we see it. We are all in this together and we should remember that"

when faced with the insults on this thread towards another woman, it's just straight back to "Show me screenshots or it didn't happen and I will assume you're a big fat liar". Wonderful. I think I'll look for a better type of feminism than this on some other website.

Because you haven't said anything on this thread to suggest you are interested in anything other than derailing and taking the piss. So when you start accusing people of saying certain things that a) seem unlikely on a feminist board and b) no one else remembers seeing, people are going to want proof.

And someone did take the time to find a post where someone was talking about her 'fuckability' and actually quoted it to point out that that poster was not saying anything like what you were accusing, and then it's 'oh no its not that post, it was another post'.

, Promise you won’t yell at me*

😂 Yelling FFS
Latisiene are your words too loud again?
You forgot to stay classy again, didn't you?!

@LaTisaniere

So now instead of saying

"goodness me, if anyone said that, or any of the other things you've mentioned then that is completely unacceptable, regardless of who the woman is and whether or not we agree with her views. At the end of the day, how are personal insults towards another woman helpful to feminism? Its a disgrace and we should all do better, we should all call it out when we see it. We are all in this together and we should remember that"

when faced with the insults on this thread towards another woman, it's just straight back to "Show me screenshots or it didn't happen and I will assume you're a big fat liar". Wonderful. I think I'll look for a better type of feminism than this on some other website.

I assume the first is a given. Of course it's appalling if anyone said anything like that. I just don't remember it (and I'm sure I would have) and I've been on this thread since the beginning.

@LaTisaniere

Genuine question, what are your thoughts on the insults toward EW that have been said on this thread?

Some of the insults I don’t feel are insults

People are allowed to say they think she can’t act for example

But comments calling her a bitch or stupid etc? No I don’t think thats right, I don’t think there is a need for it and I wouldn’t do it

I think I'll look for a better type of feminism than this on some other website.

If you want to look for a better type of feminism on some other website, then by all means go and look for it.

If you want to debate the issue and back up some of the earlier things you said on this thread, then by all means do so, I'm all ears.

If you want to spend entire days derailing threads and writing post after post without making any clear argument, then by all means do so, but dont expect anyone to think you are really clever and that you must be right on this.

So when you start accusing people of saying certain things that a) seem unlikely on a feminist board

Yes it does seem unlikely doesnt it?!
That's what we're saying!
But it is happening people have eyes you know, do you just want them to pretend it's not?
Repeatedly saying it's unlikely and /or that things don't mean what you think they do.
I think there's a word for that.

@Hasselhoffsheadband Hahahaha genuinely thanks for that laugh! Yes, me defending a woman on this thread who is having her character assassinated is derailing, whoopsie! Silly me!

@EeeICouldRipATissue

So when you start accusing people of saying certain things that a) seem unlikely on a feminist board

Yes it does seem unlikely doesnt it?!
That's what we're saying!
But it is happening people have eyes you know, do you just want them to pretend it's not?
Repeatedly saying it's unlikely and /or that things don't mean what you think they do.
I think there's a word for that.

Where? Where has it happened on this thread? Receipts please.

Wouldn't you like to look for a better type of feminism else where too Eel?

Oh it's beyond a joke now.
There are receipts.
On
This
Thread
Were to post them again?!
I honest to God
😂

@Hasselhoffsheadband What is there, exactly, for me to debate? All I've said is how about we all stop calling a woman a fucking idiot and a spoiled brat and the likes. What would your stance of debate be on that, may I ask? My other posts are to do with people feeling unwelcome on the feminist board because of the general attitude of posters when they disagree with someone, would you like to debate with me on that? I assume your stance would be that that has never happened, in which case I would invite you to re read this thread, as well as a few others. Then the debate would be over. All rather boring. But yes, me speaking on this thread is derailing, sure.

@EeeICouldRipATissue I think they would like us to start a new thread, and copy and paste 38 pages of the same exact content on it, then link them to it. So here is a little announcement, anyone who is asking for receipts can look on this here very thread that you're on!

Ooh another post inviting someone to leave mumsnet, spoken in a very discreet way of course. Thought no one had been told to leave or stop talking on this thread? That everyone was welcome?

@blindgirlmcsqueaky My apologies for the reporting posts comment - I have mixed you up with another poster. I retract my post.

We're to post them
Not were!

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer Thanks for answering, I wouldn't say someone is a shit actor but other than that my opinion lines up with yours.

[quote IamAporcupine]@OldCrone

Yes, I meant someone who is undergoing some type of transition.
I was mainly focusing on the idea that to 'be trans', you have to do something. It's not just a feeling or an idea in your head.

But your question made me think, actually. What would be the 'minimum' transition 'required' to be considered trans? I guess this in theory would not be a problem per se if said transperson then didn't claim to be the opposite sex, and demand access to their spaces/rights/awards/etc etc.[/quote]
There's no minimum transition required which is why there are some very young 'trans' children.

All someone has to do (in the UK) to be protected in the category of 'gender reassignment' is to declare their intention to transition. They never actually have to undergo any sort of physical transition, even in order to get a GRC.

And the problem we have here is that people who have made no physical transition at all, and may never intend to do so are demanding to be recognised as the opposite sex.

There is a widespread misunderstanding that they have to be treated as the opposite sex as soon as they declare their intention to transition (which has no real definition). Stonewall has been pushing this misinterpretation of the law which means many organisations, including schools, think that someone has to be treated as if they had changed sex as soon as they declare that they are 'trans'.

You do realise that the "people" I'm referring to are feminists who hold similar values as you, right? You don't care that they don't feel welcome

Are you representative of this group? If so, with the caveats that

a) I am not representative of anyone save myself (you seem to have a bit of an issue with viewing everyone who disagrees with you as a hivemind) and

b) I don’t know you and am judging purely off your contributions to this thread

I’m very comfortable with it. No one’s going to read this thread and think “I’d love to see more of this type of insightful discussion.”

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Oh it's beyond a joke now. There are receipts. On This Thread Were to post them again?! I honest to God 😂

Well when a PP accused someone of saying 'Emma Watson is only famous because of her fuckability' on this thread and people went back and couldn't find any evidence of that, then yes, evidence needs to be provided.

It's not rocket science. Unless you are just making shit up, then it becomes tricky.

[quote LaTisaniere]@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer Thanks for answering, I wouldn't say someone is a shit actor but other than that my opinion lines up with yours.[/quote]
You wouldn't say someone is a shit actor....ever? Why not?

What's wrong with saying someone is a shit actor?!

Yep, my sole purpose was to come to this thread to make shit up. Definitely didnt get sick of seeing people picking apart a woman's character, career, way she talks, body movements, education and more. Next time I see it, I'll just keep quiet so that I'm not "derailing" anything. Note taken.

@Hasselhoffsheadband Because it's a shitty thing to say and who am I to question someones acting ability, perhaps? I'd probably say I dont like their acting.

@LaTisaniere

Yep, my sole purpose was to come to this thread to make shit up. Definitely didnt get sick of seeing people picking apart a woman's character, career, way she talks, body movements, education and more. Next time I see it, I'll just keep quiet so that I'm not "derailing" anything. Note taken.

No, just provide evidence when it's asked for.