GRA Reform - Scotland

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www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/legislation/bills/s6-bills/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill/introduced/bill-as-introduced.pdf

Some light reading for those who are interested

That reminds me: I came across this yesterday in the toxic bird app.

Today I am stepping away from twitter for a little while because I will explode.

Police in the met choosing which sex uniform to wear, and other forces staring the want officers to choose which sex they are with regards to body searches, RICS pretending to celebrate women then dropping the clanger (of course that means women of both sexes), celebrating women Posters with males (who identified as male) women who have dumped on women and honking omissions, the Sarah Everard anniversary and groups like Fawcett pretending to care about women…

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FPFW are threatening court action. I can't read the whole article but looks like they are saying the SG are acting outside of their powers.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/feminists-threaten-to-sue-government-over-gender-recognition-law-hghlbmm5h

Police in the met choosing which sex uniform to wear, and other forces staring the want officers to choose which sex they are with regards to body searches, RICS pretending to celebrate women then dropping the clanger (of course that means women of both sexes), celebrating women Posters with males (who identified as male) women who have dumped on women and honking omissions, the Sarah Everard anniversary and groups like Fawcett pretending to care about women…

Ugh. I'm beginning to hate International Women's Day. It's a festival of smug, empty corporate virtue signalling and gaslighting which only goes to reinforce how little of a fuck society gives.

Here is a sharetoken for the Times article:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b51dd2ee-9a47-11ec-8194-a993851c15ba?shareToken=3d60e3697985c06b8cc7292e64847d7e

From The Times:

"Trans men and women can and do lawfully use single-sex facilities. Reforming the act will not affect this."

Is this correct? Can men currently legally access single sex facilities?

Yes it is true that it is legal, but they don't have to be allowed to. In most cases (workplaces and schools are covered by other legislation so it's not the same) left up to the individual service providers to make policy and enforce it where necessary, and people to take legal action against them if they disagree.

Can men currently legally access single sex facilities?

Yes, in much the same way adults can legally access under-16 sports, and able-bodied people can legally access the Paralympics.

When category splits like that happen, they're not usually legally enforced - they're just rules.

There are vanishingly few actual laws enforcing that sort of thing, because they've not usually been necessary. Social convention suffices.

Hence the Equality Act only covers single-sex provision as necessary to make clear that it isn't barring it under the general anti-discrimination rules. The assumption was social convention would continue.

Those sorts of things tend to pop up as law only in international contexts - eg requiring separate facilities for female prisoners of war.

[quote Igneococcus]Here is a sharetoken for the Times article:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b51dd2ee-9a47-11ec-8194-a993851c15ba?shareToken=3d60e3697985c06b8cc7292e64847d7e[/quote]
Thanks.

Thank you for the explanations. So they are just twisting language then to pretend selfID doesn't matter.

So concerned about the future for my DD's.

Is this correct? Can men currently legally access single sex facilities?

I don't think there are any laws that make it unlawful for men to use female spaces. Only the option for services to exclude males (including TW) from spaces if it is a proportionate means to achieving a legit aim.

It is mainly social convention that prevents males from entering spaces set aside for female people. And that social convention and the respect for women's boundaries is currently coming apart at the seams

I can’t watch it today. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🥺

My country not giving any fucks about women

They even a gender unit SG

Women are fighting so many wars. Actual wars. Physical wars, cyber wars, information wars, language wars.

I'm thinking of all Scottish residents who recognise biological sex today. I've no idea what will happen next, but I know one thing, it ain't over Sturgeon, not by a long way.

It is mainly social convention that prevents males from entering spaces set aside for female people. And that social convention and the respect for women's boundaries is currently coming apart at the seams

We've seen how social convention works with mask wearing here in England. The minute the rules were slightly relaxed, or allowed to people to make their own judgement, it was remarkable how quickly the balance tipped towards most people not bothering.

I wonder how quickly all spaces in Scotland will just become mixed sex, regardless of which sign appears on the door.

Men will have to take the lead in this one - declare themselves women and target events, activities and spaces where it will demonstrate to these traitors to their sexist how much this will damage woman’s lives.

Girls - demand to have access to the lads changing rooms and teams (oh dear - wee Billy is only 5”2 and seven stone wet through - but he MUST be allowed to play in the school runty team, even if that means the school loses every single match).

Start messing with the rules - play them at their own game.

[quote Signalbox]FPFW are threatening court action. I can't read the whole article but looks like they are saying the SG are acting outside of their powers.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/feminists-threaten-to-sue-government-over-gender-recognition-law-hghlbmm5h[/quote]
FPFW threaten court action every time a trans person farts. Doesn't mean they have a case or any hope of winning.

Social convention suffices

This is the crux of it all really. Women are allowed boundaries only by social convention. Once that’s gone…

Oh grow up SevenWaystoLeave

Here's FPFW's review of 2021 just in case you genuinely aren't aware of how effective they are in pushing back against the erosion of women's rights.

I suspect you are though.

fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/FPFW-review-2021.pdf

I am guessing evidence for living in a gender will be the same as the public boards act - having a vaguely stereotypically female name on your gas bill but no one will be allowed to check. In addition as there is no definition of a female name I am guessing names such a Kenneth, Patrick and John will be allowed.

There is also a behind the story type article, although article is probably too grand a word for this:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/59cabe2a-9a74-11ec-8194-a993851c15ba?shareToken=87f9cc86cde8aba5617ca20f6f1540b9

Covered by the Scottish Sun

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/8514505/scottish-government-self-id-law-press-ahead/

I'm watching Shona Robison introduce the Bill on the Scottish Parliament TV channel. She said that trans people are not responsible for violence against women. I'm wondering if anyone will bring up the list of trans women who have committed acts of violence against women.

@Lovelyricepudding

I am guessing evidence for living in a gender will be the same as the public boards act - having a vaguely stereotypically female name on your gas bill but no one will be allowed to check. In addition as there is no definition of a female name I am guessing names such a Kenneth, Patrick and John will be allowed.

See that a load of utter nonsense - my SIL has a foreign name which is actually a boys name in the county of origin (for some reason her parents liked the sound of it and it causes amusement when she meets people where the name comes from).

@TheYellowOne how do you find the Parliament channel? I'm searching through Sky but I can't find it!