Exulansic has reduced following?

[Linearpark]

Are people still following her now she's migrated to Odyssey? Her numbers are way down but you'd think everyone knew where to find her by now. Is there something about the Odyssey platform that is off-putting that I should know about. eg has it got unsavoury content or is it sound and just small and alternative? Or do people subscribe to channels that they aren't really interested in? Just wondered.

You're right of course. Sorry for the error!

I think a lot of the problem is the lack of firm boundaries between genspect and wider lens, and between Stella and Sasha's clinical work and each of these projects.

I find Wider Lens an interesting podcast even when I strongly disagree with their guests. They upfront say they are 'gender curious' which is quite different from 'gender critical' and a very long way from feminism. I've never gone to their channel for feminism and that would be fine except that they are sponsored by genspect and both hosts plug their credentials as therapists who work with children at the beginning of every episode.

Genspect is supposed to support parents, and by extension their children. It presents itself as gender critical, not gender curious. It appears (belatedly) keen to present itself as an organisation that is on top of safeguarding, hence the evolving safeguarding policy. I don't think this is compatible with being so closely tied to wider lens, and the sexologist and AGP interviews. I don't see how it is possible to give space to the in-depth and remarkably uncritical platforming of discussions around adult men's sex rights, while at the same time presenting yourselves as a source of support for parents of extremely vulnerable children.

Aside from genspect and wider lens, I am concerned that Stella and Sasha both work with children and neither of them appear to understand safeguarding.

There's a weird harking back to the 1990's theme in the BB interview. Discussion of Stella's haircut (90's rockstar), then the case MB talked about which happened in the 1990's, and then this:

'If we all behaved well it would be fine. I would disagree with you, you would disagree with me, and we would't lose our minds. We could just disagree like ordinary thinking people in the 1990's.'

The 1990's were still the bad old days for safeguarding. We didn't even have CRB/DBS checks until 1997. The 90s were full of men who did not behave well at all but who were nevertheless accepted as 'ordinary thinking people' with whom we might just 'disagree'.

That's why peter tatchell among others.

Stella harks back to the 1990's when safeguarding wasn't really a thing. If you are 'gender curious' and you believe in freedom of expression and those are your only concerns then that's fine.

If you are a therapist who works with children and / or vulnerable adults then that is not fine because those should not be your only concerns.

If you are in a front line role then safeguarding comes first, before any political or philosophical discussion.

I fully agree with your assessment langclegonmars. In particular, you have put your finger on something there. If they just did genspect OR just did daft genderfluid podcasts OR just counselled children, they would receive no criticism. It's exactly as you say: because they announce themselves as child psychotherapy practitioners in the area of gender that immediately calls for a particular standard of behaviour, and cavorting with AGPs and sexologists isn't it, nor is casually chatting about a 3/4 year old engaging in certain activities without having an aura of appropriate concern for safeguarding, or sitting there giggling while teenagers suffer the presence of their AGP father being filmed.

The only other thing I have to say about that interview is about the characterisation of feminism as a sociological discipline as opposed to a psychological discipline.

Feminism is a political movement that fights to end the oppression of women and girls because of our sex. For as long as academia remains completely useless, we will continue to route around it.

Thanks for coming back to the thread and for your analysis, Langcleginspace.

The Genspect and GAWL connection has both been vehemently denied (on the previous thread, by someone I am guessing is a Genspect employee), and been listed as one of the 50 top achievements of Genspect. The youtube podcasts also provide a link to Genspect. It's instinctively wrong, for me, to have O'Malley's near fawning appreciation and admiration for the originators of the notion of males in female spaces as a form of therapeutic relief; conjoined with her work to help parents of children who are vulnerable to such men and their propaganda, which they transpose onto confused/distressed/non conforming youths as being the same condition as their own. The more I understand about Michael Bailey's utterances in particular, the more disturbed I am at the notion that anything he had advocated might influence Genspect's approach to helping children. I agree with Linea that they cannot have both the podcast and the org and expect to remain immune from criticism.

The schism has been created however, and the damage done. Women are now being told by Genspect's supporters that they are guests within their own movement, and told to force team with the sorts of men discussed at great length in the GAWL podcasts or be cast out. Alix Aharon of Gender Mapper made a sad video earlier (that's now disappeared) about how she feels pushed out of the GC movement by these people. A trans widow has talked of her near miss at being confronted by a roomful of people like her husband, when she was invited to a drinks event led by Genspect supporters. GC women asking safeguarding questions are attacked as pedophiles by Genspect employees. Personally, I would never support these people again.

The Gender Critical Movement™ has always felt like a forced teaming exercise to me.

I recognise that there are all sorts of groups of people who have an issue with the gender agenda and with self ID but their issues are not necessarily the same as mine.

My issues are women and girls' rights and safeguarding. That's it.

The reason most women get involved is the protection of women and girls and their safety and dignity, I would have thought. I can't think of a single woman who has been vocal about this and not suffered as a result. Not so the men. Even the worst treatment meted out to vocal men pales in comparison to that suffered by women.

Gender Mapper's heartfelt video was mass reported. A woman who spends her time trying to stop gender clinics maiming children was mass reported by (I assume) the same crowd that supports Genspect.

I watched her video as I got a notification. Why on earth was it reported?

On the subject of GC we are being mocked and forced into identifying as GC now by Karen. She is on the higher plane along with Ex, Jennifer Bilek and Joey etc in being "Pro-Reality" as if we never have been. I've never asked fir the GC moniker, it just evolved from a vacuum. Pro reality, although correct would leave most people non the wiser about child butchery.

I just listened to the latest wider lens podcast in which Anne Lawrence advocated for adolescent boys to castrate themselves because it's difficult to access puberty blockers without medical help. Apparently if they change their minds they can just take testosterone later on and everything will be fine.

There was a disclaimer at the start but it was more focused on protecting psychotherapy than it was on protecting children.

They don't even age restrict these videos.

This kind of stuff needs to be kept FAR AWAY from any organisation advocating for parents, families or children.

@Lineaxxxxcc

On the subject of GC we are being mocked and forced into identifying as GC now by Karen. She is on the higher plane along with Ex, Jennifer Bilek and Joey etc in being "Pro-Reality" as if we never have been. I've never asked fir the GC moniker, it just evolved from a vacuum. Pro reality, although correct would leave most people non the wiser about child butchery.

This sounds like drama best ignored.

@ATeamAmy

The reason most women get involved is the protection of women and girls and their safety and dignity, I would have thought. I can't think of a single woman who has been vocal about this and not suffered as a result. Not so the men. Even the worst treatment meted out to vocal men pales in comparison to that suffered by women.

Gender Mapper's heartfelt video was mass reported. A woman who spends her time trying to stop gender clinics maiming children was mass reported by (I assume) the same crowd that supports Genspect.

Is that on Gettr, do you know?

I guess that answers op's original question about media. I'd just as happily watch someone on Gettr as Youtube.

Is that on Gettr, do you know?

No, it was on YouTube and got taken down I think.

Why would it be on gettr, out of interest?

@Lineaxxxxcc

Why would it be on gettr, out of interest?

I think some people are also putting their videos on Gettr; as a back up to their Youtube videos. If something gets removed from Youtube, it is still on Gettr.

I see. It doesn't seem the obvious choice. There are plenty of alternatives to You Tube. I would have assumed there was a file size limit for gettr that wouldn't stretch to accommodate e.g. Karen's 3+ hour-long recordings.

I will be sure to watch that episode Langclegsinspace.

Anyway, sorry to go off topic, by returning to the original topic, but Exulansic is putting out some increasingly wild content on her substack. You need to register but not pay to read two essays she's written on CAIS. The most troubling aspects are 1her repetition of calling for mass testing of "female-appearing" babies so we can spot the ones who are really "boys". It's a bit incoherent but something about hearing tests to detect MRKH (an XX condition) and a long explanation which basically says that, not only are CAIS women not women, but MRKH women, being "incompletely" formed women are therefore "incompletely" women. Like I say, it's confusing, but any insights greatfully received. I think it's disgraceful and wholly not the point of GC feminism to demand that the class of women refers only to those women without disorders of their reproductive system. I mean I can hardly take this on board, I'm not going to say what this reminds me of. 2I've forgotten, but there was another issue that troubled me. Will come back to that.

Sorry I messed up a bit there, the hearing test aspect is outlined and justified on her gettr stream. I read them concurrently and got mixed up.

@Lineaxxxxcc

I see. It doesn't seem the obvious choice. There are plenty of alternatives to You Tube. I would have assumed there was a file size limit for gettr that wouldn't stretch to accommodate e.g. Karen's 3+ hour-long recordings.

My query (of 19th March, 22:17hrs) to ATeamAny was referring to a post with a reference to someone called 'Gender Mapper'. Neither made any reference to Karen, so am not quite sure how the length of Karen's videos are pertinent to 'Gender Mapper's'. Mind you, maybe 'Gender Mappers' videos are even longer so would be restricted by the file size limit you mentioned above! I'd have to bow to your superior knowledge on file size limits. I have absolutely no idea if 'Gender Mapper' is on any alternative to Youtube. Hence my query to ATeamAmy about it.

Still of a mind that I have no preference to any particular platform, and I'd as happily watch someone on something else as on Youtube.

I must admit I don't know who 'Gender Mapper is'. However , I am curious due to the mention of 'Gender Mapper' in the post and so may wish to check it out for myself. To avoid any confusion (or in case of deletion), I'd better quote from ATeamAny's post of 18th March at 23:11hrs. I had quoted it in my query anyway.

The reason most women get involved is the protection of women and girls and their safety and dignity, I would have thought. I can't think of a single woman who has been vocal about this and not suffered as a result. Not so the men. Even the worst treatment meted out to vocal men pales in comparison to that suffered by women.

Gender Mapper's heartfelt video was mass reported. A woman who spends her time trying to stop gender clinics maiming children was mass reported by (I assume) the same crowd that supports Genspect.

Then my query:

Is that on Gettr, do you know?

I guess that answers op's original question about media. I'd just as happily watch someone on Gettr as Youtube.

FIN

ATeamAmy, not Any!

You're all made of stern stuff listening to a video advocating the removal of gonads in youngsters. I wonder if 'Claire Feminist' is going to do a video on that? Mind you, maybe medical surgery is in a territory way beyond safeguarding. It is into the Wild West and would possibly attract censure hitherto avoided.

Cailleach1

Hi , I'm a bit surprised that you aren't aware of the gendermapper but let me fill you in she's amazing!

She actually does at least 2 projects: gendermapper itself, which tracks down all gender affirming clinics which prescribe cross sex hormones and or surgeries and plots them on an interactive map (Web site is gendermapper followed by dot org) and onlyenemies which is looking into the problems caused byte porn industry. I think you find onlyenemies by going to the relevant youtube channel of the crematorium Alix Aharon.

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Sorry, been busy all weekend. @Cailleach1, is it Odysee you are thinking of as the Youtube alternative? Gettr is the Twitter alternative. Gender Mapper isn't on Odysee as far as I can tell.

Just to be clear, it was only GM's last video that was taken down. Her other videos (such as they are) are still there.

Here's her website. It's a really worthy project.

www.gendermapper.org

Alix (Gender Mapper) is speaking live to A Slightly Twisted Female now, about her experience of receiving what she describes as a "threatening" email from a particular Genspect person about her lack of public support for them.