Exulansic has reduced following?

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Are people still following her now she's migrated to Odyssey? Her numbers are way down but you'd think everyone knew where to find her by now. Is there something about the Odyssey platform that is off-putting that I should know about. eg has it got unsavoury content or is it sound and just small and alternative? Or do people subscribe to channels that they aren't really interested in? Just wondered.

@nauticant

She did refer to CAIS and that was at the heart of the storm she caused. She also referred to PAIS in the sense of CAIS vs PAIS. She might have referred to other DSD conditions.

Yes I think she went on to MRKH. Ttbh I've stopped paying attention to her though.

It was some of the others too. Saw an awful message by Vanessa Vokey (sp?)

Sierra, Karen, Vanessa, Isaac = TOXIC. I'm currently reserving judgment on Brittany. She seems to have a little sense left.

Glad to see this thread as I've been horrified by the very nasty turn taken by that person. Unhinged. Extreme turn around. Beware YouTube, I think it encourages spats and extremes for clicks and YouTubers get carried away with themselves. I know she's banned now but the inflated ego is still on the rampage.

@Alexis1116

Sierra, Karen, Vanessa, Isaac = TOXIC. I'm currently reserving judgment on Brittany. She seems to have a little sense left.

Out if interest, who's Brittney? I've not come across her.

In brief, among the many things they've been saying, one highly objectionable one is that if a person has a Y component to their chromosomes, then, irrespective of what DSD they might have, and how it might manifest itself in terms of a female phenotype, they are male and should be excluded from female single sex spaces.

On classification alone, I don't think this is her position, at least not according to the one video on dsds that I listened to. It was more nuanced than that. Eg. She does not suggest that women with Swyer syndrome are not women.

I realise that my last post was ambiguous. On the video I watched she does not classify sex based on chromosomes alone, she gives a woman with Swyer syndrome as an example of a women with XY chromosomes who is properly classified as being of the female sex.

If she did say that, The nuance didn't transfer to fans. Nor did it extend further. A CAIS woman can never ever transition as their body doesn't recognise or react to testosterone.

I think in the videos I've seen she's always tended toward making statements that are a little too black and white. And she's not always great at understanding how other people are thinking - she tends to assume others are thinking a certain way without seeing that there may be a number of possibilities and that it's not likely possible for her to know which is correct.

I would say that from what I read on the other thread, there is a logic to what she is saying when you consider that her position is based largely on refuting or standing against incursions from TRAs. But she's not really able to parse areas that are either nuanced or where there are unknowable elements that require practical flexibility.

She's also not good at knowing when it might be better not to comment on something because it weakens her presentation or argument, including some weird tangents.

To me she doesn't seem like an awful person so much as a person with a very linear concrete way of thinking who struggles to get past what "o her seem like inarguable facts.

@ScreamingMeMe

Could be Odysee, could be her hot takes on people with DSDs.

Yes, I unfollowed in January because of the hot takes.

I notice ClareCAIS has withdrawn all her posts on the previous thread. I hope she's OK.

@PaleBlueMoonlight

I realise that my last post was ambiguous. On the video I watched she does not classify sex based on chromosomes alone, she gives a woman with Swyer syndrome as an example of a women with XY chromosomes who is properly classified as being of the female sex.

From what I understand she goes by a working SRY gene rather than a Y chromosome.

The results are still just as pointlessly, counterproductively cruel.

Brittany = Slightly Twisted Female

@MangyInseam

I think in the videos I've seen she's always tended toward making statements that are a little too black and white. And she's not always great at understanding how other people are thinking - she tends to assume others are thinking a certain way without seeing that there may be a number of possibilities and that it's not likely possible for her to know which is correct.

I would say that from what I read on the other thread, there is a logic to what she is saying when you consider that her position is based largely on refuting or standing against incursions from TRAs. But she's not really able to parse areas that are either nuanced or where there are unknowable elements that require practical flexibility.

She's also not good at knowing when it might be better not to comment on something because it weakens her presentation or argument, including some weird tangents.

To me she doesn't seem like an awful person so much as a person with a very linear concrete way of thinking who struggles to get past what "o her seem like inarguable facts.

VERY charitable take.

I'd not have said so especially. All her videos, even the ones people think are great, tend to be like that.

*nauticant
In brief, among the many things they've been saying, one highly objectionable one is that if a person has a Y component to their chromosomes, then, irrespective of what DSD they might have, and how it might manifest itself in terms of a female phenotype, they are male and should be excluded from female single sex spaces.

That's expressed neutrally. They way they've pursued this has been extremely unpleasant and highly toxic.

That's interesting since I've seen exactly the same argument made by mumsnetters

Me too. I have seen athletes with DSD referred to as “he” and “him”, statements that they’ve been through male puberty and are a man, the fact they are a lesbian and outside sports don’t choose to dress overtly feminine, all used as arguments to claim that a female with a dsd is a man. Some even insist that this “male puberty” means they have somehow grown a penis.

Honestly no empathy or sympathy for a female who discovered later than usual that they have a dsd.

Whatever the issues with DSD athletes in sport and whether they have an advantage is irrelevant. The sheer arrogance and refusal to budge from Xy= man is disgusting.

Along with lesbians people with DSD have really been thrown under a bus by the trans movement.

Did Claire Graham ever post on here? On some of the above threads there was a very articulate lady with a DSD who eventually disappeared I think because no matter how she voiced her own experience it got drowned in the shouts of XY= man.

I've not followed her across to Odysee, totally lost the plot a bit for me with the attacks on DSDs.
It's a shame because some of her content was good, but in the end I think it really weakened her other stuff.

Vanessa Vokey is toxic. Also a shame because I admired some of her earlier videos and responses to some trans YouTubers. But she is SO hardline with the DSD thing too and some of her replies to ClairCAIS in the comments on the YouTube videos were utterly appalling. I also responded to some of her comments and she was almost as vile to me.
Slightly Twisted Female supported Exulansic through the DSD thing and agreed with everything she said so it seems as if she is no better when it comes to the DSD thing.
Isaac (Cluniac), I'm conflicted, because I think he is a genuinely nice person but he is so AWED with Exulansic that he has probably felt he had to agree with her. He is also not well mentally (which he would be the first to admit I think) and I really think his videos are doing him more harm than good.

It's all sad really, meanwhile the like of Sam Lux and other MTFs continue to spread misinformation about biological sex to their young followers.

Yes, well now I've caught up I'm absolutely flabbergasted. I can't really believe how someone could change so much. She seems obsessed with destroying that DSD charity. I saw a post when she was talking about a "male substance" being in people which is a bit extreme. The STF woman, Britney was talking in a particularly dehumanising
way. I think STF should STFU frankly.

Very sad about twisted female. I'd just discovered her.

Exulansic did not 'attack' DSD people.

She called out an individual, who had been a star interviewer on other channels. This interviewee told a sad life story ( with much detail) about being raised as a girl with slight differences. But Exculansic found that this individual had been raised as a boy and did not have the claimed DSD condition at all. ie is trans and male.

Hence the trans pile-on on Exulansic. We should be supporting her for telling the truth.

I find Odyssey a bit more tricky to use, but still watch her there. She makes content that others are afraid to make.

Exulansic, Vanessa Vokey & Karen Davis are of course entitled to their opinions but they all seem to be going down cul de sacs and alienating so many women and potential supporters when they could be reaching people who are totally new to Gender Ideology. I’m not sure what happened as I wasn’t watching any of them consistently but their all seem to have lost the plot recently.

I unfollowed her after seeing some her wild speculation about Jazz Jennings. She's very good at sounding authoritative and using scientific language but she makes bizarre assumptions based on little to no evidence. Her treatment of Claire was even worse. I'll never follow her again.

Also unsubscribed from Karen Davis. I don't need to see 50 videos about which gc person has offended her this week. It's irrelevant to me and feels like bullying. I don't want to support it.

@oldwomanwhoruns

Exulansic did not 'attack' DSD people.

She called out an individual, who had been a star interviewer on other channels. This interviewee told a sad life story ( with much detail) about being raised as a girl with slight differences. But Exculansic found that this individual had been raised as a boy and did not have the claimed DSD condition at all. ie is trans and male.

Hence the trans pile-on on Exulansic. We should be supporting her for telling the truth.

I find Odyssey a bit more tricky to use, but still watch her there. She makes content that others are afraid to make.

She has repeatedly said that CAIS women are men, that there should be mandatory testing of girls whose periods don't arrive, that if they are diagnosed with CAIS their birth certificates should be changed, that they should be excluded from female only spaces and that if they don't want to use men's spaces they should use disabled facilities or, in their absence, be provided with a chaperone in order to use the men's facilities safely.

Oh, and if they object to this then they are showing male privilege and predatory behaviour.

This was in January, before the video about an individual. Pages and pages of this shit on the community threads of her YT channel.

Thank you for pointing that out Lang.

There's also the issue that her followers are blindly agreeing and saying worse things.

@oldwomanwhoruns

Exulansic did not 'attack' DSD people.

She called out an individual, who had been a star interviewer on other channels. This interviewee told a sad life story ( with much detail) about being raised as a girl with slight differences. But Exculansic found that this individual had been raised as a boy and did not have the claimed DSD condition at all. ie is trans and male.

Hence the trans pile-on on Exulansic. We should be supporting her for telling the truth.

I find Odyssey a bit more tricky to use, but still watch her there. She makes content that others are afraid to make.

I think you may be referring to Dalea Rundblad. They appeared on Benjamin Boyce talking about how they had CAIS and how they were raised as a girl, but I think it was actually Isaac (Cluniac) who allegedly discovered a book written by this person under a different name where they say they had PAIS (not CAIS) and were raised as a male.

Exulansic then started talking about people with CAIS in general, not just concentrating on this one individual who had been economical with the truth. I think it IS fair to say she has attacked the CAIS community actually, some of the comments to ClairCAIS and others were utterly appalling, and someone has resigned from the CAIS support charity over it.
Exulansic's "fan club" Youtubers then started making their own videos and have hosted her on live streams on their own channels since then as she has been banned from YouTube, and they are continuing to talk about this issue referring to CAIS individuals as "men" etc.

I do agree with you that she makes content others are afraid to make, but it doesn't mean all of her content is actually to be taken as gospel. As others have said she often strays into areas way out of her medical knowledge and makes rather odd and outlandish assumptions about people. She is a speech pathologist at the end of the day. Anyone can google a PubMed article and draw extrapolations which just are not true or factual. She has misrepresented herself to a lot of people, variously describing herself as a "medically certified pathologist" etc which is a stretch of the truth at best.

BTW, I was a HUGE follower of hers at the start and thought she was great. But I have begin to see, as she disappeared down the DSD rabbit hole, how single minded she was. And those of her fan club.

I still maintain this is a red herring issue given the statistically TINY proportion of people with DSDs and CAIS in particular. It just has NO relevance to the general problems we should be united against - men in womens spaces, overwhelmingly "normal" biological XY men who transitioned later in life, who may have conditions that we are not allowed to discuss on Mumsnet, infiltrating female spaces for reasons of their own.

That's what we should be concentrating on IMO. Not singling out a vanishingly small number of people with a legitimate medical genetic condition that we are never likely to see in real life.

It's a real shame the route she has gone down. Another here who was hugely impressed to start with, but I disagree with her about CAIS.

It's got nothing to do with men deciding they are women.